Genesis 8.1 / Victoria 8.1

AllenArt

Masterstroke said:

Masterstroke said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t understand why new clothes and pose products are no longer compatible with G8. If that’s true, my shopping is pretty much done here. [...]

Here's a little work around for clothes and props:
Scene Tab -> Edit -> Scene identification -> Prefered Base
Set it Genesis 8/Female
then conform your 8.1 clothes to Genesis 8 Female

I must be on everybody's ignore list...

LOL, nah. I see ya. And making clothes and hair fit is the easiest of easy fixes ;). People just aren't reading. I guess that's why I see the same persons over and over complaining that nothing is compatible with 8.1 when so many are saying everything except expressions is. LOL

 

takezo_3001

Wonderland said:

Has anyone tried combining Victoria 8.1 with G8 characters? What happens to the new teeth, mouth and eyes? Even if I got the character, I would never use the morph as is...

I combined V8.1 with an imported V7, even Gia 8, and everything worked out magnificently!

WendyLuvsCatz

Masterstroke said:

Masterstroke said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t understand why new clothes and pose products are no longer compatible with G8. If that’s true, my shopping is pretty much done here. [...]

Here's a little work around for clothes and props:
Scene Tab -> Edit -> Scene identification -> Prefered Base
Set it Genesis 8/Female
then conform your 8.1 clothes to Genesis 8 Female

I must be on everybody's ignore list...

you are not but since there are no 8.1 only clothes yet we haven't reached that mountain

I have 231 pages in my product library which is not insignificant and do indeed use workarounds to use almost everything on any figure in any software

so nothing new

I rarely buy converters 

I can likely get those morphs working too with some effort

but others will have to spend up new as some cannot even import and obj in my experience so I am a bit cynical as to the real benefits

DAZ is a business it will be beneficial to them 

nicstt

Hylas said:

Anagenessis 2 does not work on G8.1

The script runs without error, but the result doesn't look good. It appears that the new material zones confuse the script. I also think some aspects of Anagenessis are UV specific.

For skins with G8 UVs, one can use Anagenessis on the regular old G8F, save the results as a Material Preset, and then apply that to G8.1

I can't think of a way to use Anagenessis on skins with G8.1 UVs.

 

I've stopped using it on 8.1; i like how they look, and can get very similar look to AGA2; I posted an image a few posts above yours on 16

nicstt

evilded777 said:

Not entirely OT.

This new shader is going to take some getting used to and some learning... but: ok, sign me up.  Huge improvement and I have barely scratched the surface here with a G3 male. And I didn't have to change my TMD.  Maybe this new shader helps to demonstrate how Dual Lobe Specular actually works, because I largely didn't care for it... now I think I am better understanding how to use it.

I agree, much better.

Wonderland

AllenArt said:

Masterstroke said:

Masterstroke said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t understand why new clothes and pose products are no longer compatible with G8. If that’s true, my shopping is pretty much done here. [...]

Here's a little work around for clothes and props:
Scene Tab -> Edit -> Scene identification -> Prefered Base
Set it Genesis 8/Female
then conform your 8.1 clothes to Genesis 8 Female

I must be on everybody's ignore list...

LOL, nah. I see ya. And making clothes and hair fit is the easiest of easy fixes ;). People just aren't reading. I guess that's why I see the same persons over and over complaining that nothing is compatible with 8.1 when so many are saying everything except expressions is. LOL

It’s just another time consuming fix. I have enough clothes anyway but always looking for more hair...

nicstt

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Serene Night

Masterstroke said:

Masterstroke said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t understand why new clothes and pose products are no longer compatible with G8. If that’s true, my shopping is pretty much done here. [...]

Here's a little work around for clothes and props:
Scene Tab -> Edit -> Scene identification -> Prefered Base
Set it Genesis 8/Female
then conform your 8.1 clothes to Genesis 8 Female

I must be on everybody's ignore list...

 

1 You load the clothing into the scene but not on the figure.

2 select it.

3. Right click scene tab>edit

4. Change Scene Identification

5. Choose a different base

6. Then autofit as usual.

 

Wonderland

I don’t even have Genesis 8.1. I just downloaded the new package from DIM and have Genesis 8 Basic Female and Genesis 8 Female Dev Load INSIDE Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose Templates. Where IS 8.1?

dawnblade

Wonderland said:

I don’t even have Genesis 8.1. I just downloaded the new package from DIM and have Genesis 8 Basic Female and Genesis 8 Female Dev Load INSIDE Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose Templates. Where IS 8.1?

Click on Genesis 8 Female folder in Content Library and she is an actor alongside G8F. 

 

Wonderland

dawnblade said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t even have Genesis 8.1. I just downloaded the new package from DIM and have Genesis 8 Basic Female and Genesis 8 Female Dev Load INSIDE Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose Templates. Where IS 8.1?

Click on Genesis 8 Female folder and she is alongside G8F. 

There is no Genesis 8 Female folder since I updated. The figures are under Male Powepose and G8 female only.

MelissaGT

Wonderland said:

Emelissastjames said:

PerttiA said:

Wonderland said:

I just looked through a bunch of old G8 renders and there is not one thing I would improve about the expressions. G3 was pretty awful, not to mention G2 and G1, but I was able to get any expression I wanted with G8 and even V4! There is no way I’m switching to G8.1 and buying expressions all over again or creating them from scratch when I have all I need and more for G8. I think this is just an excuse to create new clothes, poses and hair incompatible to G8 to try to get people to buy more new stuff but will backfire when customers realize they have all they need and stop buying new stuff altogether. Mousso already includes vellus hair with many of their characters, I already have several eyelash packs and PA eyelashes that came with characters plus a face rig I bought for extra expressions but only used once. It’s fine to bring out new stuff but to make all future products incompatible when G8 products are already compatible is ridiculous! 

I don't understand, why wouldn't the clothes made for 8.1 be compatible with 8.0, it's the same mesh. If the Genesis version starts complaining, just use the "Preferred base" trick and the clothing doesn't even know that it's designed for the newer figure.

If you are referring to the marketing comment about newer content not being backwards compatible, I am still looking for that one marketing person that actually knows what he/she is talking about and have been looking since the beginning of the nineties... 

Hair and clothing should be perfectly compatible by changing the tag like you mentioned. The rigging is the same. Even hair and clothing made for 8.1 should be fine on 8.0 again because the rigging is the same. The only caveat as others have mentioned is with masks that would have auto control morphs when the expression changes, etc. Everything else...no issues. I've already used lashes made for G8 just fine on G8.1. And hair. All you have to do is change the preferred base to Genesis 8.1 Female and then fit it. 

And I also don't understand needing to buy expressions all over. That may be the case if all one uses are one-click sets, though I suspect some authors might update their packs. I exclusively use the Genesis 8 Female Expressions (which are slider-based) and they work perfectly and show up under Genesis 8.1. Those are all I ever need because you can get pretty much any expression you could want out of them by combining two or more. The only thing I'm missing are visemes, and I would think those may show up in a future update.  

But even so, one loses nothing with using Genesis 8.1. You don't have to buy it...it's just there once you update your Genesis 8 Starter Essentials. All of your current G8 females can be popped on the G8.1 base or used as G8. They look exactly the same shape-wise. 

I have hundreds of expression sliders that I combine in multiple ways to create the expressions I want and have created custom ones. I’ve read that those would not be usable and they are the main parts of my images, the expressions and visemes combined. I know I don’t have to use the model, but I read somewhere that even new clothes, poses and hair will not be backwards compatible which makes no sense. 

There is no reason for clothing or hair or poses (excepting expressions) to not be compatible. They use the same exact rigging.  

Wonderland

Ok I unstalled andreinstalled but G8.1 Female is still inside Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose templates

Kharma

Wonderland said:

Has anyone tried combining Victoria 8.1 with G8 characters? What happens to the new teeth, mouth and eyes? Even if I got the character, I would never use the morph as is...

@Wonderland  this is one that I did with Victoria 8.1 plus a bit of Keyanna and Carra , both G8 

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/6418071/#Comment_6418071

MelissaGT

In case anybody is interested, here is a side-by-side comparison of a franken-skin I put together (mostly Babina 8)(I only updated the head, so please ignore any funk in the neck on the right) - 

And here is the HDRI I used in case anybody wants to replicate the lighting - https://hdrihaven.com/hdri/?h=studio_small_03

lilweep

Bamboozler said:

I've given it a couple days to see if an update would come through DIM that would fix my problem, but it hasn't happened thus far.

I have no Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials.They're installed via DIM. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but they just don't show up in Daz.

Here's a pic of things I do have, according to Content Manager inside Daz.

What to do? Just keep waiting to see if it gets fixed? I put in a support ticket, but I don't expect that to be of any use.

weirdly my Genesis 8 female and Genesis 8.1 female show up for me in Smart Content under Genesis 8 male Powerpose Templates.

But Genesis 8.1 female still shows up where it should in the normal content browser, which is under People>Genesis 8 Female

Saint

Digging the new skin shader but where's Cutout Opacity? C'mon.

Wonderland

Whoa! It seems I may have complained prematurely. So far all the paid expressions I bought ARE working! And I do still have visemes. This is weird...

Bamboozler

Wonderland said:

Wonderland said:

Ok I unstalled and reinstalled but G8.1 Female is still inside Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose templates

Aha, so that's where they are! I posted above that I didn't seem to have them at all, but mine are in the same place as yours.

Richard Haseltine

PerttiA said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

absolutely none of the expressions in my content under expressions work and yes all those useless sliders annoy me too

since they are incompatible don't show them

the HD ones all work and a few other sliders as well as of course the FACS ones

I can probably export each one as an obj and use morphloader then move them from body to head or edit the dsf files but just noooo

The "annoying sliders" come from G8.1 reading not only the G8.1 morph folder but also G8.0 morph folder with DS 4.15 and I assume that it cannot distinquish the (PA made) expression morphs from any other morphs, at least outside the Daz 3D folder (where the visemes are located)

I gather that DS can distinguish - if the product is set up for it to do so.

WendyLuvsCatz

Wonderland said:

Whoa! It seems I may have complained prematurely. So far all the paid expressions I bought ARE working! And I do still have visemes. This is weird...

did you buy the third party ones by some chance?
https://www.daz3d.com/hd-visemes-for-genesis-8-female

they indeed would work as HD morphs 

lilweep

Saint said:

Digging the new skin shader but where's Cutout Opacity? C'mon.

Oh my, you're right! There's no opacity channel.

The only use-case i have for opacity is when using a geoshell. I guess they will have to use the iray uber. 

MelissaGT

WendyLuvsCatz said:

Wonderland said:

Whoa! It seems I may have complained prematurely. So far all the paid expressions I bought ARE working! And I do still have visemes. This is weird...

did you buy the third party ones by some chance?
https://www.daz3d.com/hd-visemes-for-genesis-8-female

they indeed would work as HD morphs 

I have that product, but the menu heading "Visemes" is empty.  

Richard Haseltine

Wonderland said:

dawnblade said:

Wonderland said:

I don’t even have Genesis 8.1. I just downloaded the new package from DIM and have Genesis 8 Basic Female and Genesis 8 Female Dev Load INSIDE Genesis 8 MALE Powerpose Templates. Where IS 8.1?

Click on Genesis 8 Female folder and she is alongside G8F. 

There is no Genesis 8 Female folder since I updated. The figures are under Male Powepose and G8 female only.

I think Dawnblade is looking in the Content Library under Daz Studio Formats while you are using one of the category views. The bad categorisation is apparently known and being worked on.

Decoyboy

Okay, I can't keep up with all the post, so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but do you need to upgrade to 4.15 to see the full benefits of this new 8.1? I am running 4.12 and installed the new essentials. Do I need to really move to 4.15.

AllenArt

Bamboozler said:

I've given it a couple days to see if an update would come through DIM that would fix my problem, but it hasn't happened thus far.

I have no Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials.They're installed via DIM. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but they just don't show up in Daz.

Here's a pic of things I do have, according to Content Manager inside Daz.

What to do? Just keep waiting to see if it gets fixed? I put in a support ticket, but I don't expect that to be of any use.

I had to install mine manually. I figured it was just easier to take the path of least resistance.

 

AllenArt

Decoyboy said:

Okay, I can't keep up with all the post, so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but do you need to upgrade to 4.15 to see the full benefits of this new 8.1? I am running 4.12 and installed the new essentials. Do I need to really move to 4.15.

Yes, you do. 

Wonderland

So far every paid expression I tried does work! I haven't tried them alone to see if they are exactly as they should be since I combine them in increments anyway. But so far, they all do something! And visemes are still there and work...

This is crazy, everything works!

Decoyboy

AllenArt said:

Decoyboy said:

Okay, I can't keep up with all the post, so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but do you need to upgrade to 4.15 to see the full benefits of this new 8.1? I am running 4.12 and installed the new essentials. Do I need to really move to 4.15.

Yes, you do. 

Thank you.

Thyranq

AllenArt said:

It is ONLY expressions that are not compatible. All morphs, poses, hair, clothing and wearables (with the exception of geoshells, for which there is a workaround for now) will STILL WORK. 

This. 

This has been said SOO many times, and it needs to be stressed. Too many people are getting the wrong idea that all their G8F stuff is obsolete, and it's not.