Cat Zeus

richardandtracy

This is the type of Maine Coon I would love to replicate (sorry my website is not Https, so the image only displays if you click on it):

He was our Gryff, a fleabag who unfortunately had a heart attack just before his third birthday.

There are three magnificent cat breeds as far as I am concerned. The Maine Coon, the Siberian and the Norwegian Forest Cat. We've had a Norwegian and a Maine Coon, and I am certain they're closely related, almost as if the NFC is an ancestor of the MC breed. The MC has a square, blocky shape, the NFC is triangular in their face to the MC's square, and the Siberian is round in the way Zeus is rounded. Love all of them, and would so love to have all of them in my renders as in real life.

Regards, 

Richard

Taoz

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Llola Lane

Taoz said:

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Taoz

Llola Lane said:

Taoz said:

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Well it's open for interpreation... 

Llola Lane

Taoz said:

Llola Lane said:

Taoz said:

(blah blah blah... thinks... please don't eat me)

Well it's open for interpreation... 

Oh yes indeedie... I love artwork that tells a story.  That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!  lol

Wonderland

Super quick test of Siberian. It didn't crash my computer which is only 16GB RAM & 1080 ti!

richardandtracy

Oh, that is good.

WendyLuvsCatz

BTW Richardandtracy. Gryff does display in all his beauty on Safari on my iPad just not Chrome on my PC.

Wonderland's render looks so strokeable 

nicstt

@wonderland

Nice job!

AllenArt

JOdel said:

Just saw that Vysur has released a Cat Mars over on Rendo. Looks like Zeus with the Siberian texture. Uses Strand-based fur. Cat Zeus's store page here just says dForce fur. Are we talking two different fur systems? 

Mars looks like he has a longer coat.

Looks to me like Mars IS the Siberian or a mix of the two (and Zeus) - morph and coat. I wonder what's going on... 

WendyLuvsCatz

I grabbed him

they have the same UV map and poses

same number of quads and vertices

Mars has strandbased hair and you can open it in the editor

I think it's the same cat TBH

I don't mind as I wanted editable fur and should be able to use interchangeably

I don't own the Siberian so it gets me a marbled tabby texture too so over all I did not spend more

Llola Lane

WendyLuvsCatz said:

I grabbed him

they have the same UV map and poses

same number of quads and vertices

Mars has strandbased hair and you can open it in the editor

I think it's the same cat TBH

 

I don't mind as I wanted editable fur and should be able to use interchangeably

I don't own the Siberian so it gets me a marbled tabby texture too so over all I did not spend more

Thanks Wendy... interesting.  I wonder if Vyusur is leaving Daz?  Or else it's a version Daz didn't want?  I wasn't allowed to sell the same product in both places (when I sold my Llola's Lovely Ladies)... So I'm sure Vyusur got permissions to sell at Rendo ;)

Charlie Judge

Well, while they may be closely related they are not exactly the same figure. Mars is a stand-alone figure while the Siberian is not and requires Zeus. Also the fur seems to be of different types.

WendyLuvsCatz

is same as Zeus except fur type and texture 

I don't  have the Siberian 

FrankTheTank

WendyLuvsCatz said:

I grabbed him

they have the same UV map and poses

same number of quads and vertices

Mars has strandbased hair and you can open it in the editor

I think it's the same cat TBH

I don't mind as I wanted editable fur and should be able to use interchangeably

I don't own the Siberian so it gets me a marbled tabby texture too so over all I did not spend more

does it take more memory to render Mars or Zeus, or is it about the same? I only have a 2060 RTX with 6GB vram.

johnjdesigns108

 Vyusur mentioned in a PM over on RO that Mars is basically the same as Zeus but further products will be for Mars only. 

Gordig

Meaning that there will be no further products for Zeus, or that there will be independent addons for both?

Wonderland

I discovered an issue @Vyusur The tongue in/out dial actually just opens the mouth and doesn't affect the tongue. Also the tongue lick nose pose has the tongue too close to the mouth so some fur sticks through.

Also I really hope you add the ability to change eye size and shape, more face shapes, and a kitten morph! Also a way to make the fur longer around the face & ruff  for a Maine Coon look.

I really like Zeus but feel it still needs lots of additions.

Wonderland

So here it is with tongue licking chin morph which I think looks a little weird because the tongue out morph doesn't work (see above.) Also the tongue color is off, at least compared to my cat's tongue. I widened the head a little bit through bones but really hoping for a lot more morphs! I might work on some new fur textures in PS. I really want lots more morphs and a kitten morph though!

I also also realized that you have to freeze the simulation on the whiskers first because they move with the fur. The whiskers don't really need to be dForce because cat's whiskers stay sticking straight out, don't bend with gravity.

Wonderland

Last one, made the tongue look more like my cat's tongue color, but I have to say I'm disappointed and now considering returning it. The Renderosity Mars cat looks much better with EAR TUFTS and someone said you could change the lenghth of the fur. In both cases, I need more morphs! Bigger eyes, eyes distance, face width, kitten, etc... And it needs eyelashes! I only bought Zeus for the Siberian fur version but it's too late to return that but I can still return the Siberian. Quite honestly, I don't think it's fair that Vysur created a similar better cat at Rendo, rather than updating this one!

 

WendyLuvsCatz

well the DAZ fur is Dforce which the Renderosity Strandbased fur isn't so there is that

that said you can manually brush the strandbased in the editor to how you want it styled instead of relying on physics 

I haven't spoken to her in private as I am trying to keep world political situations and my 3D art hobby separate but there could be reasons she is is no longer dealing with DAZ beyond her control.

Wonderland

WendyLuvsCatz said:

well the DAZ fur is Dforce which the Renderosity Strandbased fur isn't so there is that

that said you can manually brush the strandbased in the editor to how you want it styled instead of relying on physics 

I haven't spoken to her in private as I am trying to keep world political situations and my 3D art hobby separate but there could be reasons she is is no longer dealing with DAZ beyond her control.

Well I’d much prefer to have more control over the fur and the added ear tufts but even if I return the Siberian, I already wasted money on Zeus which i only got as a base for the Siberian but it’s now too late to return that. I’m kind of upset about this whole thing. I PMed Vysur and sent in a querie to DAZ for their suggestion whether I should return it or if it will be updated. 

Gordig

WendyLuvsCatz said:

well the DAZ fur is Dforce which the Renderosity Strandbased fur isn't so there is that

that said you can manually brush the strandbased in the editor to how you want it styled instead of relying on physics 

Personally, I would much rather simulate than manually brush the hair, because brushing 3D hair is one of the things in 3D that I hate the most.

tsroemi

Wonderland said:

Last one, made the tongue look more like my cat's tongue color, but I have to say I'm disappointed and now considering returning it. The Renderosity Mars cat looks much better with EAR TUFTS and someone said you could change the lenghth of the fur. In both cases, I need more morphs! Bigger eyes, eyes distance, face width, kitten, etc... And it needs eyelashes! I only bought Zeus for the Siberian fur version but it's too late to return that but I can still return the Siberian. Quite honestly, I don't think it's fair that Vysur created a similar better cat at Rendo, rather than updating this one!

 

I already mentioned the missing eyelashes quite a while ago, I really do hope that there will be an addition, likewise the ear tufts. Thanks for contacting the PA, also about the missing morph. I hadn't used it yet, so I hadn't noticed.

These things aside, Zeus still is such fun to work with and renders so well, I use him more often than most of my human models.

Edit: Oh, but Zeus DOES have ear tufts! Check the promos, they're even mentioned explicitly in the text, and of course you can see them. So sorry @Vyusur, I simply forgot.  

sunnyjei

I haven't yet had a chance to try out the chonky modifiers you all were kind enough to supply I was busy trying to figure out how to use Davinci Resolve and animate in Daz. Learned a lot, nearly cried a few times (not sure why animating in Daz is so frustrating at times!) but thought I would share a short project featuring our favorite cat, Zeus :)

Flicker warning!

 

https://youtu.be/s-u_gNrS0lo

 

Gordig

sunnyjei said:

Learned a lot, nearly cried a few times (not sure why animating in Daz is so frustrating at times!)

Because the animation features in DS are largely afterthoughts. A lot of the things that make DS so easy to use and so good for still images also make it a terrible program to animate in, but there are also aspects where DS could improve its animation capabilities in ways that would also make it easier to create still images.

Wonderland

Well I got a response to my PM to Vyseur and see why this has happened now but I can’t discuss it because it involves politics. But I understand now why there’s a similar cat at another store. I guess I’ll keep the Siberian but it looks like there won’t be updates for it any time soon. Maybe after I see how Mars evolves at Rendo I’ll get that in addition if a lot more morphs are created for it. 

MimicMolly

I wonder if Mars and Zeus work like the G3 and G8 anatomical elements, where you could manually drag and drop morphs and UVs between folders and it would still work, since they're pretty much the same thing but with different names.

Nath

MimicMolly said:

I wonder if Mars and Zeus work like the G3 and G8 anatomical elements, where you could manually drag and drop morphs and UVs between folders and it would still work, since they're pretty much the same thing but with different names.

Poses work across both, anything else I haven't tried yet.

 

sunnyjei

Gordig said:

sunnyjei said:

Learned a lot, nearly cried a few times (not sure why animating in Daz is so frustrating at times!)

Because the animation features in DS are largely afterthoughts. A lot of the things that make DS so easy to use and so good for still images also make it a terrible program to animate in, but there are also aspects where DS could improve its animation capabilities in ways that would also make it easier to create still images.

If nothing else I really, really hope they, at the least, make it possible in Daz 5 to pin limbs to things (the floor, and not move, etc) as well a way to turn Daz automatically creating in-between poses if you don't want it to. So many times I would create pose A, B, and C just to find Daz had changed poses B and possibly A too. And unfortunately helpful animating scripts I have for human figures didn't seem to work on the cat.