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Oops, this was a response to your previous post about the dystopian matrix thing.
Actually it's just the opposite. It's decentralized so many companies or even individuals can create their own Metaverse. Crypto is still a mess though as prices fluctuate and even experts seem to not always understand it. And there are too many types of currency.
AltspaceVR is the friendliest place on the planet! Most people are creatives and everyone is very helpful when it comes to building your own worlds and everyone checks out everyone's works. It's really kind of a utopia. But everything is free as of now. It's really a sandbox to create and show everyone what you created and see what they created. Kind of like the galleries here but in immersive 3D and you can throw parties in your creations!
Zuckerberg is just ONE player in the Metaverse. There are many more and there will be many more in the future. He just took the name Meta for his company.
...Bezos' was the one I was thinking of.
I'm really shocked and sadden to see so much hate toward people who are into NFTs, and from people who I have looked up to on here for years. Also the lies being told that they hurt the enviroment. It all depends on the
blockchain that ones uses for their NFTs. I personally only use The WAX and EOS Blockchain. it has zero effect on the enviroment. Since I got into WAX , I have been able to earn more money to help
me out with my DAZ work and put food in my fridge! I think most don't understand what NFTs are and why they are fun. thanks @wonderland for your positive posts. We are certainly minnows in this sea of sharks.
Please Daz Friends, do more research on this topic, to speak on it intelligently. And ETH blockchain is terrible! WAX ON!
what is this Discord place? seems kind of scattered and makes no sense at all. But, I dont partake of twit, reddit, instagram, or anything other than facebook, which is a pretty bad place to be at all as well. got me a free Drago, which I dont need, but its a very cool model ...Discord, i doubt I'm hanging on there, and I have absolutely no need for anything to do with NFTs. The new meta language is too much for my head.
Alright ChadCrypto, maybe you could explain a few things about NFTs that some like myself still do not understand.
- First and most importantly, why do you think that ANY NFT will increase in value over time? Art is notorious for increasing in value after the artist is dead more often than while they are alive, and that of course has to do with the talent behind the art being lost. Does the whole idea of these becoming valuable collector's items hang on a celebrity buying one or it otherwise making news? Please tell me why some deformed 256-color AI-generated monkey GIF would ever be worthy of being considered an investment.
- Wouldn't direct commissions help artists more while providing the buyer with a unique image that they have full rights to do with as they please?
- Why is the initial price always so high? Every NFT I've bothered to take a look at starts at around $200.
Mada - thanks for the link. Most intteresting, and yet another reason I won't be joining twitter, from the looks of it.
I should mention that in addition to being asocial, just short of anti-social, I don't do "status symbols" either.
Wendy - I ended up with a smartphone when my mother's health became an issue. I killed off my landline about six months later - too many spam calls. Now my phone quietly goes <blip> and drops the spam (around 12 to 15 per day) on the floor. Bit it's primarily a phone. No social media, no financial aps. And while I have VLC and Librerea Pro installed the video, music, and reading material are all installed from my PC, not directly from the internet.
mine were only used as phones and sending text messages occasionally but with the N95 I got my first decent phone camera, 5MP was pretty good back then, so I started taking photos out and about and not having a computer had to send them to a Bluetooth device, it came with a little colour printer!
I got the images burned to a CD at a shop when it got full and my DVD player played the jpgs.
that was my first real taste of technology , my phone plan included unlimited YouTube on its included inbuilt app so that's why I watched that, I couldn't browse anything else, it might have been possible but not easy or cheap.
That phone was one of the first very early Smartphones and I very reluctantly parted ways with it delegated to a drawer somewhere because the sim was no longer supported by my network, since then I only bought cheap phones I only make calls on, and SMS.
photography is something I have done since childhood with my cheap Kodak cameras, then my Olympus Trip35, and borrowed SLR cameras and home video cameras of which I went through several.
I developed my own photos too with a drum I put film on reels in my closet and used an enlager at night.
Computers I really didn't get into until I was given a Windows 98 monstrosity in 2007
but I did have an Atari one years and years before I just played games from floppy discs on.
it was a computer not a console and I did get freeware discs from magazines for it with some simple programs.
I have Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp but I don't use Facebook (other than messenger), Twitter, Instagram, TikTok or any others. I only use FB Messenger and WhatsApp because some of my close family and friends use one or the other. I don't know anyone who uses Google's messenger (does it still exist?).
That said, I often prefer to type a quick message than make a phone call so life would be very different these days without a messaging app. As a child in the 50s and 60s we didn't even have a phone and I had to use the old British red public phone box to call my mother (I lived with my father and his second wife).
Ok, here it goes. Now I can only speak on the part of the NFT world at the moment I have delved into. It's mostly games.
So you have to invest into NFTs that have utility. I play nft games like Splinterlands, Nova Ralley and Immersys.
Splinterlands is a card base game like Hearthstone or Magic The Gathering. Each card has a rarity. And each have their own value set by the community.
I started playing it back in 2019 casualy. Came back and bought packs of cards over the couple years. I know have a card portfolio that flucuates in the 2k usd value.
and you can earn more NFT cards from playing. And every card can be sold , played or rented to other plays. Which gives NFT utitilty.
Nova Ralley is a new game on the WAX blockchain. It's a racing game. You use 2 drivers and a car. And use a currency to race against other drivers. And you earn shard packs to make more drivers or cars. Or they can be sold on the market for wax.
Once again, these NFTs have utility. They also can be staked to earn the currency fuel to play the game. The higher the rarity , they higher amount of fuel you can earn per hour.
Now Immersys , It's what is called the open world metaverse, where the main city will have stores and other attractions. As there is a forest where you can mine, chop tress, fish, and dig for NFTs. The more you do these things, the more chances of earning NFT resources. Which can be sold on the market. Or when you find a Blueprint, then they can be combined to make certain tools and other things in the game.
These are just 3 examples of NFT projects that are cool , fun and totally innovative. And the good thing is they all have ZERO! Impact on the enviroment. They all use a crypto currency that is proof of stake. No mining involved. Unlike curriences like Bitcoin or Etherium which use proof of work. Which means it has to be mined by high powered GPUs. Proof Of Stake is mined all at once, and then sold or distributed. Like in a game by earning it through playing.
This whole thing is confusing. Yet once you delve into it and understand. It makes more sense. I hope people will do research. Yes there is blockchains that hurt the enviroment through mining. Yet not all are that.
I have not done research yet to see if Daz is on the mining blockchains. I hope they will seek the energy safe chains to promote for their business. Hey even Pop Figures and Sony's Spider Man No Way Home chose the energy safe WAX to sell and give away their NFTs.
As for the art you are talking about that is stupid pricey. I don't really care about those NFT. Just like a mall. I only shop where I want. That is the cool thing about this space as the actual world. I only have to patronize the places I want to. I just ignore the rest.
I will also add how can an artist make money from their nfts? Well, on the WAX , once your nft is put on the market. Like AtomicHub. you set a percentage of how much you get if your nft is sold for life. So if you have a nft that you sell for let say 20 usd, then it increases value and goes to 100 usd. and sells. You set the percentage 10 percent, then you get 10 usd in wax for someone else selling your creation. And also as it rises or lowers. You still get that 10 percent forever. As long as it's on the market and not burned. So much involved in NFTs . I understand why most dont understand all the uses for them.
WAX ON!
Did some reading on Wax, and from this article dated Dec 5, 2019 WAX Launches Consumer-Friendly Crypto Wallet Finally Opens Blockchain Apps To Casual Gamers, Consumers
Further research led to another article dated January 16, 2021 WAX Tokenomics & DeFi is NOW LIVE! Here’s how to participate. Interesting points from the article:
Since the article mentions the wax blockchain site and creating a wallet there, it would seem that Wax Toeknomics & DeFi is part of the Wax blockchain. Two observations on that article are:
Further Poster Sayeth Naught.
The impression I get is that it’s like collecting baseball cards. To me baseball cards would be useless pieces of cardboard with a photo but others spend a lot of money on them. NFTs are often sold as collector sets with rare and common ones. Popular now are just some rather silly cartoon characters with AI added glasses, hair, hats, cigars, and other items that are randomly put on the character by the computer. Some are considered rare and collectible while others are considered common. To be honest I don’t see the value of them or baseball cards.
But I am considering making NFTs out of my existing art that’s just sitting on my computer. If someone wants to buy it, then it’s minted on demand. Sorry, I need the money. However you do have to pay to mint an NFT and the price fluctuates so that’s another issue. It’s really a bit of a gamble whether an NFT will actually sell.
Driving my car is going to destroy the environment way more than minting one or two NFTs. I’m a recycling freak so at least I make up for it that way. I still don’t quite understand cryptocurrency yet and its fluctuating value but I’m attempting to learn. It’s the future whether people like it or not and for me, the sooner I get over the learning curve, the better.
Are you calling me old?
I disagree it's along generational lines, perhaps for the metaverse, but not for crypto, I know plenty of Gen Z-ers and millenials who do not like certain crypto's because of the enviromental impact.
Anyway, so are the "new metaverse" NFTs all on a more enviromentallty friendly blockchain? This is one of the first NFT implementations that actually makes kind of sense to me if I understand it correctly (NFT for personal avatars). Still, if it's on the ETH blockschain or can be traded on the ETH blockchain I think it's a horrible idea.
Wrong! You don't need metamask for a wax wallet. you can have a cloud wallet. Which is not tied to ETH. ETH has stupid gas fees. Where as WAX does not have a gas fees to trade, sell or send NFTs, WAX or any EOS currencies.The only fee is the creator fee and Market fees of the site.Yet you only see that when you list on the maket. You don't see it when you buy an NFT on lets say AtomicHub. Some do use metamask and some other ways. Though that is not the best way to do it. Once again, you must do your research better. You can create a WAX wallet easy and free. I know this, I have been doing it for over 8 months straight on WAX.
IT's also called WAXP. I don't use the WAX ETH swap. I'm Anti ETH!
Two years of energy for someone's studio was the equivalent of minting six NFTs.
"The culprit was Lemercier’s first blockchain“drop.” The event involved the sale of six so-called nonfungible tokens, or NFTs, which took the form of short videos inspired by the concept of platonic solids. In the clips, dark metallic polyhedrons rotate on loop and glisten—a reference to Lemercier’s installations in the physical world. The works were placed for auction on a website called Nifty Gateway, where they sold out in 10 seconds for thousands of dollars. The sale also consumed 8.7 megawatt-hours of energy, as he later learned from a website called Cryptoart.WTF.
That figure was equivalent to two years of energy use in Lemercier’s studio. Since then, the art has been resold, requiring another year’s worth of energy. The tally was still climbing."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/nfts-hot-effect-earth-climate/amp
Also be careful of the minting fees fluctuations. I was talking to a friend when the craze started and he lost something like two hundred dollars from a sale as the minting fee or transfer fee, not quite sure the terminology, was more than his sale. So if you need money, this might backfire.
Now this wax thing I've never heard of, so maybe it'll be fine, but do be careful.
I still do too - LJ7542. The letters prefixes ceased about 55 years ago but somehow the phone number still sticks in my head. I'm thinking it may not be uncommon for people to remember the old phone number from their childhood.
This is why you mint on either Binance coin which is also super low on gas fees compared to ETH. or the one I use and reccomend 100 percent, WAX. WAX has no fees to make NFTs,and its free mostly. The only annoying part is you have to pay a little WAX coin for cpu and ram for storage of your NFTs. It's not much though. I increase my ram posting a couple wax. which is around 1.40 usd. And that is a lot of space. I have portfolio of over 1800 nfts. and only bought a little over 50 wax in Ram in the 8 months I have been doing it. And 160+ wax in CPU. If you want to learn a little more about NFT and WAX , check out Crypto Stache on youtube. He is a knowledgable person in the space. And really approchable with questions.
This is why you stay away from Proof Of Work curriences with NFTs. Stupid exspensive and not good. Proof Of Stake is where it's at.
I may have misread something, but it looks to me like they're afraid some helpful people might want to join in on their discord - and they don't want any help - well I'm here to assure them that they need not worry although I too did get an invite but still ... nope. Nosirresir. If I wanted to be helpful on matters I'm not investigating I might mention that there's a link right here in the store's ads to connect the account to the discord, but nope, not needed am I. Hmmm ....
On the issue of Discord, as someone who is familiar with it, perhaps I can offer some help.
Anyone who has played games and taken part in the ingame chat know it's a nightmare. A number of people got together to create an app for gamers to chat with each other, instread of using the ingame version. This way you only chatted with the people you wanted to and could avoid the disgusting behavior of others. In 2015 the app became a reality. It advanced to include servers that members could use to create communities, for people to get together and discuss the games they played and help each other play them. Other people who were not into games, started making communites. Today you can find servers dealing with crafting, 2D and 3D art and animation, writing, cooking and numersous other topics. They made it possible to add the app to phones, ipad's and the like, you can do voice or video chat, you can stream with it or watch movies as a community.
I've had a server for the past three years, an information server dedicated to help people find 2D and 3D programs, gaming and animations, with a section for recording, editing and streaming on various platforms, along with tutorials. If it has to do with 2D and 3D, it's on my server.
The app is not difficult to learn, it's actually quite easy, as long as you read/watch the tutorials on it and actually follow the complete instructions, not rush through it and have no patience.
I think I use a different email for Discord, so wouldn't even be able to verify to claim it, unless I temporarily switched emails. Not sure if it's worth the hassle. Been on a couple of other servers and I don't like it there. Prefer to use Discord as a one on one IM.
You shouldn't need to be using the same email address for both. You just have to log into one place and then into the other place to link the two.
What's this whitelist? Does it have anything to do with Santa?
Cheep gas fees are no argument for or against NFTs, as the fee says nothing about the environmental impact. Was the energy for the blockchain item generates by wind or solar? Then, maybe, it's sustainable. Was it made by an atomic reactor or, worse, coal od oil? Then it is utterly destructive. We are on a steep path down into a very hot and deathly earth. So, as much as the NFTs might be god for artists, I'll wait till I can be certain that they won't damage the environment. Which proof might or might not happen during my lifetime.
I carried a mobile phone with me on two occasions (both years ago):
Never needed a smartphone/mobile/whatever in that direction for any other reason...
And yes, I guess it is a very age-depending cultural thing. The generation like me, who grew up without the interwebz, but then learned to live with it from start, when ar first it was all shiny and new and promised to be full of "freeware" and "social communication platforms" until the big moneygrabbers took over, sure has a different view of things like "meta" which is just a new plan for making money, by giving a now no more so likeable platform - due to all that data hugging and stuff - a new name to rinse the memory of it's users. For me, the "Generation Smartphone", who grew up without knowing about the power that knowledge of programming languages (or the help by a hacking toolbox) can bring, who think that "data is secure in the cloud", even that data got hacked countless times already, blindly follows all those new prophets of "a better social community with avatars" which in the end will turn into a 3d version of failbook, tweeter and others... but it's okay. Every generation has to learn from their own catastrophes... or rather: should learn..
...clicked on tonight's store banner after the Daz "Zero Hour" price change and instead of the Holiday Loyalty Sale, I ended up on the Non Fungible People Discord page with a pop up asking me to sign up.
Being on a tight budget buying into this NFT fad, even if I was interested, is out of the question I'd rather spend my zlotys on new content, plugins, and resources to create with, That's what attracted me to Daz fourteen years ago as of this month. It's like when people are surprised to find out I do this but am not into video gaming I would rather have something to actually show for all the time I put into it than just some ephemeral point total and ranking in a finite game system.
I find creating work for the sole purpose of appealing to collectors for (hopefully) making money off of it an anathema as it's little more than just producing something for sale without learning and growing from the experience. Like I mentioned numerous times I come from a background in the traditional art mediums and have looked to bring that knowledge into computer generated art.
I remember decades ago when I was in an oil paining studio course in college. I was asked by some members of the group why didn't care to do more abstract or "modernist" work that would readily sell and I could make a living off of. My reply was, I found little personal challenge in doing so as I could produce 5 or more paintings a week and learned very little from it in the end maybe save for becoming more of a business manager and less of a creative artist. I also mentioned that may a well have just gone to work for someone else in some other occupation it all I wanted to do with it was earn a paycheque (which is why I also never went into commercial art). When I would spend the time studying, experimenting with and applying techniques from the old masters (such as layering of thin coats of paint as renaissance artists did), I developed a strong appreciation for the craftsmanship involved and patience it required along with an actual a sense of accomplishment.
In that light, yes, I am somewhat an old school "purist" when it comes to creating art and this see this whole NFT fad for what it is just, a fad that will pass. The darker side of it is having your artwork minted and sold without consent or compensation so that someone else makes money off of it. I know Daz3D has stated that won't be the case here, but it still happens outside our little bubble which is why out of principle I don't care to be involved with it and also don't care to have it thrown in the face like is happening lately. In the end, as a 3D artist, it has more to do with more than the environmental impact of mining and the crypto economy. It is about the reason why we spend the money and take the time to learn and improve our technique in order to realise our visions through this medium.
Apologies for waxing a little "philosophic" here, this is just how one person who's been here for a while sees the situation and what it is doing to the community I felt a part of for so long
easy
if you have been bad you get a lump of coal
to burn to power your blockchain burning electricity plant!
+1000
You say. Give me the assurance that NFT & cryptos are NOT destructive and I'm in. Before that, I won't waste a second of my precious time even learning any of the gobbledygook of this technology.