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Thanks. I didn't know that.
In light of me not feeling the love from Daz, I was already planning to transfer most of my casual purchases to that site, and that's helped me make up my mind. I want to enjoy the shopping experience and I don't feel I can do that here right now. I wish I felt differently :(
As I wrote in the sales thread, I would have picked up quite a few items yesterday, but the sale started at 4am in Central Europe. I'm usually a night owl, and catch the sales that start at midnight, but 4am? :-/
As another European based customer, it does make me think twice about buying something at the price off, even at 60% which seems common, if others have the chance to buy it at 80%+ when i'm trying to sleep.
The crappy flash sales of like Hylas said are pretty common but they always make the good ones (80%) for US customers for what ever reason, Daz knows people complain each time they do it so I can only assume it is a business strategy. They won't change.
It is annoyong as lets face it anything less than 60 percent off is in reality full price.
I'll raise you a better one yet... Anything at 60% off IS at full price. if DAZ original with DAZ+ membership then 72% off is full price.
Also, the "whatever" reason if I have to take a guess is because DAZ studio headquarters is based on Utah US so they're working under their timezone for convenience.
OK, sorry to rub it in, but because I am an idiot that should really be making art, I went through all my Ati deals so far this year looking for flash sales. I have selected two timezones based on one being mine (GMT) and the other being Daz's (MST). This is not intented to be US vs Europe, it's just sensible choices. This was an error-prone process and there may well be mistakes but I'm sure It's close enough.
I have marked in bold those sales that I consider to be accesible. My definition is that the sale must start between 7AM and 9PM since that means that people will have an hour to look at the items and buy what interests them.
Here are the results. I don't expect anything much to change, but at least I know that this isn't imaginary, it's what's happening.
Anyone else spotting a pattern?
My guess is that it's to do with when they change the daily promotion. That's at midnight their time, and they want to leave it a good long while before they launch a flash sale that might compete with it, at least 12 hours, but usually a lot longer.
For me, the promotions change at 7 am, and as a result, I'm going to miss most flash sales (I missed 64% of them).
But of course it's a guess. None of us can know, but it feels plausible.
I like the sound of what they do over on the other site, i.e. repeating the sale 12.hours later That sounds fair. They are also a little more honest about what the real prices are.
Damn, nice job formatting that in these forums. It's definitely an interesting sight :/ I'd definitely agree that it takes the fun out of buying something if you know at some point it will be cheaper for people in the US. I don't think I've really bought much of anything these past few months, I've grown a lot more ambivalent to DAZ in general (especially with NFTs and all)... not that it, like, stops me visiting the site most every day anyway :/
I'm in Australia and am having pretty much the same issue. Occasionally I'll see a sale in the morning, but from all that I can remember, they'll be 40-60% off max (which, a lot of the time, makes the prices *more* expensive than they are normally for plat. Why did I renew again??)
Rendo is not free of issues themselves. They sometimes have items with conflicting sales. Sometimes certain items go back to a higher price before the actual sale event ends. If you are a prime member get ready to be disappointed with the lack of consistency in prime coupons and free gifts. And also, is up to the vendor to accept a coupon or not. In addition, you can't use a coupon on items with a prime price. But in all fairness I think their prices are competitive with DAZ store.
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Forgot to add, while repeating the sale twice to cover the globe is a good thing, at the end of the day we're talking about a puny 12 items. You can't compare that amount with pages and pages from DAZ flash sales. I guess is better than nothing and I reckon is a move in the right direction.
Another time zone challenged customer, but if it wasn't working for them DAZ would have changed it. It suggests they make far more money from the US than the rest of the world combined and that's what they are here to do. I learned to live with it a loooong time ago.
About the only upside of suffering from insomnia is that I do catch a few ;)
Oh, I didn't mean to say one store is better than the other. I just think the idea of repeating the exact same sale twice at differen times is a good one.
well there's finally a flash sale, and it's not as impressive as what I apparantly slept on
Well at least it's got OOT in it, so can't be all bad
They're different. Another thing I'm not keen on is that they sell add ons for products you can't buy, and that they don't provide any warning when you buy an add on for something you don't have (and I mean add ons for things they sell in their store). As has been pointed out, the vouchers not working on a large proportion of the products is an issue too. On the other hand, it's nice to feel that I'm as imporant to them as everyone else; their customers are all equal.
Thanks! Credit to the forum though. I just pasted it from Excel, and barring the bold text, everything came across.
Sorry the thread title is Europe-centric, I was trying to avoid saying "if you are American", although it's hard to reach any other conclusion when faced with the data. I suppose I could give you the resuts for your timezone, and I will if you like, although it sounds like you know what the answer is going to be
And yes, I'm also asking myself why I renewed...
Or it suggests that they are ingnorant of the money they are missing out on.
I've seen plenty of companies with the "we've always done it that way" mentality, be totally shocked when the size of the pie they've left behind has been pointed out to them. Or worse, been taken by a competitor.
I've been thinking about this too. Looking at the statistics above, it's hard to conclude anything other than Daz targets flash sales at US timezones, and if you happen to get one in another timezone, lucky you :) Last night's was a good one. For me, it started at 1 am and finished at 5 am, almost as if they were trying to be as inconvenient as possible for the guy that gathered the stats that highlights just how bad this is... (I wasn't being entirely serious there!)
But I digress... The main point is that if (big if) Daz believes it makes more money from the US, therefore that's where it targets its promotions, I would turn that around. Maybe it makes more money from the US because that's where it target its promotions...? But the reason may be something completely different.
I've also been trying to think of another other organisation that sells its products globally and has frequent sales of a few hours that are all available to one specific region, which has the unfortunate side-effect that their global community mostly misses out. I can't think of one.
As to how I feel having reflected on all this... I'm not going to stop spending money here, that would be silly because they sell things I want. What will change is that I'm not paying more just because I live in an unfavoured timezone. Ultimately that means I'll spend less, which I guess isn't such a bad thing.
Oh, and another question... Is this thing with flash sales almost every day new, or has it gone on for years?
I've found it seems to depend on the other sales going on at the time. During periods of fairly casual sales (like 60%, which is Daz casual) there seems to be loads of flashes. What is different though is that I swear last year there were far more at world-convenient times. in fact, I can think of loads of cases where there were several sequential flash sales in a day that ended in a big 'all previous sales in one' that went right until store changeover.
Actually, yeah, I recall it being more common that a flash sale would run directly up until store changeover, which gave everyone a chance since that's about 3pm my time. I wonder why they stopped doing that as often...
I have seen them run flash sales all day and then start the same ones over again for the next 12 hours. They should keep doing that and give everyone else at least a fighting chance. Even if they make more money from U.S. customers (which I have no idea), even we in the U.S. can't order products while WE are sleeping, so give the Europeans, Asians and others a chance ;).
Woke up half past 3 this morning, it's soon 6AM and no flash sales for anyone during this time... That's one solution
I may be wrong and someone please correct me if so, but the non-stop full day flash sale happens during the months of the 3 big sale events; March ,September and October.
Could Daz ask people for their time zone and then schedule flash sales for that paritcular day (for everyone) at a reasonable time based on the user's time zone? Am I overthinking things here? Are timezones really that hard to account for? More people live in Europe than in US + Canada right?
I wake up at that time quite often. Sometimes it's the ping that tells me there's a new sale when I forgot to put my phone on silent
I'm thinking that I have all my Ati mails (or most of them) so I could look this up. It would be pretty tedious, but I might select few random weeks from various points last year and see what comes out of it.
I don't recall it being this bad, but then I wasn't especially looking out for it. I've also come up with a nice way to visualise it that's a lot easier than a table of numbers so I think I'll do that too when I get a spare moment...
Technically, I could see that being very difficult to do because customers would need to have their own sites and promotions.
I feel what's needed is a system that's fair, which this clearly isn't. Just schedule them randomly at all times of the day. Maybe the US could miss out on some of them. Is that so hard?
The ones that really annoy me are the sales they make only three hours long. They start at 4:00 in the morning and finish at 7:00. If they were four hours long like all the others, then maybe I could get something when I wake up, but no, the have to cut off early. It almost feels malicious, although in reality it's just that it's 00:00 MST so the sale stops...
Actually scrub that. What's really annoying is hearing about the crazy sale they did the other day which I couldn't sensibly access.
However, think of how much more money you have in your account than you would otherwise have...
As someone in the UK, I look at these poorly scheduled sales as an excellent opportunity NOT to be tempted to spend more than my very limited budget. Means I spend less, means I have the chance to play making stuff from scratch rather than play using spendy stuff.
In may ways I prefer sales to be inconveniently timed. I don't spend anything then. Foolish marketing by DAZ is to my advantage. Especially as my library, small by many standards, is quite large by my standards.
Regards,
Richard.
I was lucky that I woke up up and could get the 80% Flash Sale but sadly I missed the 2.99 Dollar sale at 28th december. It would been great to get Big Cats 2, Teen Josie 8 and Luke 8 for that price.
It seems that DAZ wants the flash sales to be a surprise which I can't understand. Most companies inform their customers about special sales via emails and their social media accounts.
At the moment I would be happy if DAZ could make a few rules for their flash sales in normal months. For example: If there is a flash sale, it is at monday, wednesday or friday. I would still have the time problem but there would be nights when nothing will happen. Perhaps that would be convenient for their US-customers too.
So true.
I would like to think anyone reading this seeing all the "I wish I could have got X for Y but it was offered in a flash sale in the middle of the night" must surely be seeing that as missed sales.
As we know, there are tools that allow us to track the prices, and surely nobody is going to be prepared to pay over the odds for something Daz offered at a cheaper price only to a favoured subset of its customers, especially when of late, some of those prices have been huge savings.
I'm not prepared to do it, and as a result, I saved myself a fortune on Sunday!
I gather the general idea here is that since you don't know when a flash sale is gonna happen, you'll have to check in to the site very, very often to make sure you're not missing out. This way, you spend far more time at the site than you usually would, and in all probability also buy more, and at higher prices. It's a pretty mean strategy, but it's the same one, generally speaking, that keeps social media going.