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That sounds plausible, I could easily see it being that. I guess that where it falls down is that all you need is the Ati emails so you don't need to check the store, but what proportion of customers know about them I wouldn't like to say.
There's a flash sale right now, if anyone is interested.
Spotted it! Included it in the diagrams below
Visualisation is a very powerful tool, and I think this is quite a nice way to show who gets which sales. I've done AEDT (Sydney), GMT (Me in the UK), EST (Eastern US) and MST (where Daz lives of course). I found it mindbending so if AEDT is wrong in particular, let me know.
What this shows is that:
Still we got one today!
I will get bored of this soon, honest! I just want to check through my records of Daz promotions, which go back to March (I won't check all of them!) to determine whether this thing where they are offering multiple flash sales every day (33 in 24 days) is something new, or something I never previously noticed.
Someone likes to spend time using excel
I do too...
Glad you showed this. It's what I've been saying all along. It's more convenient for DAZ to set things to Utah timezone. It's all about timezones. No conspiracy theories here, just logic and common sense.
Can they do better? Without a doubt. Should they do better? IMHO yes.
It was quite theraputic.
Think you summed it up nicely there too. No conspiracy. I hope they stop doing it soon because seeing another flash sale start at 11 PM is really starting to annoy me! No doubt there will be another at 3 AM that stops just as my alarm goes off at 7 AM tomorrow morning...
Yep.. a really big marketing carrot dangling in front of our noses and most of the time out of reach... so that we are happy and glad when we manage to catch it once in a while...
So be honest, I gave up on flash sales, unless they happen in the "we got a sale running for a whole day with no need to jump through hoops.." kind. Which they rarely do. But at least there's always the PC+ (now probably DAZ+) sale/s once or twice the year..
Flash Sales of 50% or 60% don't hold much interest for me - especially as the same items are discounted in many different sales at different discounts. I just wait until there's something I fancy at the right price. But these days the items I fancy are getting fewer and fewer because it gets more difficult to find something more interesting than what I already have.
By the way, I live in New Zealand now so it isn't quite as bad as when I lived in the UK.
I have no proof on this, but I tend to think (from a business perspective), Daz will run flash sales on "soft" sales days. In other words, on days where their new offerings aren't selling as much as they projected. At least that's how I would do it if it were my business. LOL The flash sales may seem to have picked up because they ARE picking up. Probably due to the fact that inflation is high right now and the discretionary income isn't what it was before the whole COVID mess. That would be my guess...of course, just a guess ;).
That's another nice theory, and would explain why the sales stop at 7AM. The new daily promotions launch at exactly the moment my alarm goes off in the morning, and at that point, they don't know how the day will go.
To be fair, they didn't run a sale at 3AM yesterday. Maybe the one at 11PM did well!
You need to move eastward, DAZ midnight is at 9AM here
Same here, the 50% ones aren't all that interesting, although there have been some lately that are better, quite a few at 70%. Last Friday's was very good according to an earlier posts on this thread ($135 of stuff for $10 apparently - a proper sale!). There was quite a lot I would have liked - you can still see the items
https://www.daz3d.com/wonderful-flash-item-deals-1
Same here regarding finding stuff to buy, it's getting harder. Mainly, I'd like a few more 8.1 characters.
I guess that's one solution!
I skimmed throught November and August last year, not looking too carefully, but just to form an impression.
I would say that in the past sales were not this frequent, but the times of day were similar. Maybe January is a flash sales month? I really hope so because waking up to these mails every morning is getting a bit irritating now... but not enough to move!
Picked up 4 animation sets at 72% off last night (approx 9pm GMT) in a flash sale. I get what some people are saying, I potentially have missed out on 80% off, but 72% off is the lowest I've seen these and I've Followed Mad March and PC+ sales like a hawk in the past. My strategy is to check in often but also "when I feel like it". I'm a happy UK customer.
The only way I know of that I could have done better is to have waited for the same offer and combined it with a monthly coupon, so well played DAZ there I guess, but it's not a lot of difference.
All true, and if I see something that's genuinely cheap, I'll still buy it.
Not buying things I want because Daz doesn't respect European timezones would be very silly because they are things I want. Paying significantly more than people in other parts of the world pay for the same products would also be very silly.
But I do wish they wouldn't do it quite so much.
This isn't just a European issue.
Your staff comes up with a lot of ideas for sales/promos, so many in fact it comes across on this end like an email game show version of 'whacka mole'. I live on the west coast, so PST. Several times I have seen your emails in the eve, searched through the sale info (some are very convoluted, it's not always a 5 min process) and sorted through the items on sale, cafefully picking ones that meet my needs and the needs of the sale criteria, and placed them in my cart only to find out the sale has ended and now my cart is hundreds of dollars. I know you have customers that have more time during the day and that my sales will not make or break you; but I may not be the only one?
I know that I have dumped a lot of carts and have for the most part started ingoring this emails, since I know it doesn't apply to me, and ultimately wastes my time and frustrates me. I've been a customer since 2004, so I'd like to think my business means something?
If the process is meeting your needs, then I suspect it will continue. If it's not, I would offer this up for discussion?
Been there, done that. The sale links work forever, as far as I can tell, and there is nothing on the page to say to you they've expired. A welcome improvement was when they added an indication that a promotion is about to expire in the shopping basket.
And it's a great point about the time people have during the day. Most sales are while I sleep. When I do catch them, they are in the evening, but in PST (and indeed MST), many deals are while people work and just as inaccessible.
Daz is well aware that putting people under time pressure is a good sales tactic, so maybe it meets that need. The problem is that when you do it this much, people soon realise that it means is that the prices are artificially high, and they'd be mad to buy anything when there isn't a sale. If you then change from a strategy of running most sales for an entire day to one when you run a lot more for just a few hours, then in a global marketplace where working people have limited shopping time, all you're doing is restricting the times people are willing to shop—and annoying them, of course!
But perhaps most customers are retired and live in Salt Lake City. Then it's absolutely the right approach!
You cannot trust the timing of the promotional emails... The DAZ midnight is at 9AM my time, sometimes the email for the day takes until 4PM to arrive.
Whatever if any emails are being sent for short time offers, usually arrive after the offer has already ended.
Emails after sales ended is unfortunate!
I must admit that for me, they seem pretty reliable, always around six minutes past the hour, six minutes after the sale starts. Of course that's just my experience, and until this last week, I have not taken much notice so I couldn't say it never happened to me.
I think you're talking about two different emails here. The official daily Daz emails do take quite a while to arrive on some days.
I didn't even know there were official ones, I only look at yours! I guess it's to do with my marketing preferences which I won't have touched for years.
In my experience I get DAZ official email about 4 hours after MST mid-night.
So only one a day? Doesn't sound very useful if they launch and retire promotions intraday, day in, day out. You need a new email every time there are new promotions and given the promotions' durations, you need them quickly.
If you haven't already, sign up to the @Ati Daz Deals emails would be my advice
, unless you want to be annoyed by seeing all the stuff you missed 
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I check DAZ website before i go to work (sometimes as soon as I wake up) and right after I get home, so anything in between is no point to know 'cause I won't be able to purchase anything. So yes, I rather miss the flash deal emails, otherwise I'd be more annoyed than usual LOL.
I get mine 1 hour and 37 minutes after changover every day. I had to go back and look in my emails cause I save them all and they are all here +/- 1 minute
Yeah, but you live so much closer to DAZ HQ, the poor hamster with the mailbag gets there sooner.
Actually, I feel like clearing something up, because I don't' want people to think I'm some mad person mad person that would load up a basket in every sale. Very few interest me. The problem is that the ones that do have been at crazy times. Usually, the best ones are.
Anyway, I have a wishlist that contains ~200 items. They fall into two categories:
This is what happened. Last Thursday, a sale ran from 1 AM to 5 AM containing things I wanted. Since it required a voucher, I didn't discover it had expired until I wasted time building a basket. Irritated, I started this thread.
The next day, Daz ran one of those rare genuine sales, one of the best they've ever done according to those fortunate enough to access it (see earlier responses). It started at 11 PM and ended at 3 AM. It felt utterly ridiculous to offer such savings to only a subset of their customers, and I was genuinely annoyed they would do something like that. So I did the research, and you see the stats above.
Thinking this through, for me the net effect is:
But new releases aside, I'm not going to give up waiting and pay extra, so ultimately, I'll wait until I can pay what the US and Asia paid. That could be a long wait, but I'll survive. It's just annoying I have to wait. Still, there are other places to spend my 3D budget while I'm waiting...
And I'm curious. Does anyone buy anything for the full asking price? I'm assuming most people don't...?
That depends on your definition of Full Price.
72% off, is obviously full price for certain items on the store, seeing as they spend most of the year at that level.
Good question, so many ways to think of "Full Price"!
I meant the absolute most you could possibly pay if bought on a day when no promotions are active, so for most items. 30% off for Daz Originals (assuming Daz+) or 0% off for everything else.
I did it a couple of times when I first started and I didn't know how things worked, and once when I needed something for a request and someone else was happy to pay, despite me warning them it might be better to wait. I even wait for the Daz+ items to be cheaper a lot of the time!
I've heard of a few people buying at absolute full price to use in a commercial art project, where they can claim the costs back.
For myself, the "fullest" price I've ever bought at is the intro price (usually 30% but higher in some sales) for something new that I really really want. Everything else I generally wait for at least 50% off or ideally better.