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Did I miss the memo? Daz+ Discount on new releases now only 20%?

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  • JasonSWrenchJasonSWrench Posts: 380

    Rod Wise Driggo said:

    JasonSWrench said:

    I will miss the company that sent me a free 3D printed Victoria in the mail for being a good customer. I can’t imagine this new DAZ doing something like that. 

    Those have been the days. Unfortunately I stored my 3D printed Vicky in a box with other stuff so that her hands came off. Need to fix that with some plastic glue someday ;-)

     

    Rod: My Vicki only lost one hand. Thankfully, glue worked just fine. She’s still sitting on a shelf in my living room.

    J

  • HaruchaiHaruchai Posts: 1,977

    JasonSWrench said:

    Rod Wise Driggo said:

    JasonSWrench said:

    I will miss the company that sent me a free 3D printed Victoria in the mail for being a good customer. I can’t imagine this new DAZ doing something like that. 

    Those have been the days. Unfortunately I stored my 3D printed Vicky in a box with other stuff so that her hands came off. Need to fix that with some plastic glue someday ;-)

     

    Rod: My Vicki only lost one hand. Thankfully, glue worked just fine. She’s still sitting on a shelf in my living room.

    J

    Mine has been in the wars too, lost both hands at various times and is currently awaiting futher surgery to reattach the right hand :(

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,254

    Ours lost a hand in shipment. I've probably glued that thing on 3 different times now and it always eventually falls off. So much for superglue.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    frank0314 said:

    Ours lost a hand in shipment. I've probably glued that thing on 3 different times now and it always eventually falls off. So much for superglue.

    Easy to fix...

    use a Dremel (or any other electric drill able to use a really small diameter drill bit) and a piece of wire (1/4 inch or so long). Drill holes into the parts to assemble. Insert superglue into the holes and the surfaces to attach to each other. Then stick the wire in one hole and fix the parts by sticking it into the other hole... should do wonders for stability.

    I used that method a lot when assembling all those nice Warhammer Fantasy Tin miniatures in the 80's, when I learned that Superglue doesn't really work when trying to assemble parts made of tin with each other wink

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,737

    AllenArt said:

    cridgit said:

    New release today ...

    A crown

    Not a clown

    But a freakin' prop crown

    For $15, frown

    I could make one in a day

    And likely, give it away. 

    When I saw it in the store
    I thought "What a bore".
    I've gotten better for free.
    Like gifts from Laurie.

    Actually my initial thought was, "This is so simple, it must have been intended as a holiday freebie that didn't get done in time." I usually really like Nikisatez products, so this was a surprising disappointment from them/him/her/[your pronoun here].

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited February 2022

    I don't think this will impact me at all as I don't buy new items. I'm one of those hobbyists on a very limited budget so I can only afford to buy at heavy discounts. Fortunately, DAZ has regular sales and if I bide my time, I can get my wishlist items at the right price (for me). If I notice a change in that marketing strategy then the writing is on the wall for me and this hobby although I could have plenty of fun for a while yet with what I have already.

    Post edited by marble on
  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152

    Even 30% wasn't enough for me to buy a new release.  I believe, in eleven years, I've only purchased ONE new release.  Now it's only 20%? 

  • QuasarQuasar Posts: 650

    So new releases were always sold at a 30% discount for everyone. Now, the new release discount is 20% for everyone. I don't know if this will help or hurt profits in the long run, but I see a way Daz could sweeten the Daz+ membership. They could return the new release discount to 30% for people who are Daz+ members. It could be a possible way to make PC+ feel less like it is losing its value to customers. Although for a lot of us, 30% isn't enticing enough to begin with.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    kyoto kid said:

    ...yeah I agree, it's going to hurt PAs as well. 

    I've purchased new items before because they were something I was waiting to finally see released.  Now anything I am interested will end up on the wishlist until it ends up in a sale or Fastgrab.

    Already felt a disincentive when instead of just one "New Release" discounts began to require purchase of an entire bundle multiple New Releases which far offset any savings unless you dumped a lot of money into the specific sale.  A good number of us here don't have the level of resources to be able to drop 100$ or more in a single purchase which is about what it takes.

    During the last year, I finally moved 99% of my purchases to the 70% minimum, but still had me considering the cost of the item not the percentage discount.

    ... But if I see 70%, I at least show an interest.

    I have on occasions bought hair at release price, and a couple of useful items that are not Genesis related.

    I see prices increasing and discount dropping - and more often than I like, a lack of attention to detail. It must be said there are still many great products though.

    It is mainly Daz's actions that have had me spending far less; I'm looking on Renderosity, Renderhub, Blender markets - and of course - making my own.

    ... It's a hobby, and I don't have to buy - and I mainly don't.

  • Blood-PawWerewolfBlood-PawWerewolf Posts: 325

    What DAZ did is similar to how retailers did before they declared bankruptcy. Prices were too high, sales were non-existant, and discounts were pretty much made everyone turn away. Seeing that there's better competition than DAZ right now, I feel like they're failing to adapt, which sadly is a sign of a pontental closure.

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited February 2022

    On chance of getting flamed... Frankly said, they killed their own market years ago by throwing in those insane discounts all the time. As much as I love buying cheap, you're not ging to survive if you're on sale all the time. Reading through this threat, it just confirms this to me, the shopping attitude people have developed is a direct result of the market strategy DAZ rode.

    I mean, "other places" mentioned here so often don't discount so heavily, and people still buy. Being predictable and give folks something they can calculate with is better than insane discount games.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,579

    I love shopping at other stores.

  • Blood-PawWerewolfBlood-PawWerewolf Posts: 325

    Ippotamus said:

    I love shopping at other stores.

    and my wallet has been closed more than usual when coming here.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,569
    edited February 2022

    My wallet remains closed due to saving for an unreasonably expensive new computer. Until that issue is finally resolved and the new box is up and running, I don't need anything more.

    Post edited by Torquinox on
  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited February 2022

    bytescapes said:

    BeeMKay said:

    On chance of getting flamed... Frankly said, they killed their own market years ago by throwing in those insane discounts all the time. As much as I love buying cheap, you're not ging to survive if you're on sale all the time.

    Not a flame, but I think it's worth asking what the "real" price of a product sold at DAZ is.

    People who shop at DAZ regularly know that -- sooner or later -- products are going to be discounted to 50-60%, even 70%. So for an item that is priced at $20, are DAZ selling it at a loss when they sell it for $10 ... or are they rather making an extra profit when, to their amazement, someone actually pays full price for it?

    I don't think DAZ killed their own market. Rather, they have developed a business model that involves listing products at prices that are well above what they expect to sell them for. They expect to make the majority of their sales at the "discounted" price, and a smaller number at the "full" price.

    The point, of course, is to capitalize on everyone's desire for a bargain. Psychology says that if we see a product advertised at a 'full price' of $10, we'll go "Nah, I'll wait until it's on sale." But if DAZ price the same product at $20, and then tell us it's on sale at 50% off for the next 48 hours only, our reaction is "Ohmigod! I have to get it now while it's cheap!"

    If DAZ was actually producing the items, that would be true for their "real costs". But they are a content broker, and take a share of sales. Or, to make a real world comparision, DAZ is like the supermarket chain that sells milk product at growingly steeper discounts, reaching a point where the diary farmers (the PAs) no longer can work cost efficiently from the share they receive. And the consumers in the supermarket only buy on days when they milk is extra cheap because they know that they price will predictably drop. That way, the diary farmers lose theirt footing, because the supermarket points out "yeah, you see, they only buy at the cheapest price, so that's all you and me get".

    Any attempts of coming back to a more sustainable price model will the inevitably lead to consumer riots due to the "desire for bargain" mechanism which you described. So yes, they killed their own market, a chance to balance everything, the moment the insane sales began.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    BeeMKay said:

    bytescapes said:

    BeeMKay said:

    On chance of getting flamed... Frankly said, they killed their own market years ago by throwing in those insane discounts all the time. As much as I love buying cheap, you're not ging to survive if you're on sale all the time.

    Not a flame, but I think it's worth asking what the "real" price of a product sold at DAZ is.

    People who shop at DAZ regularly know that -- sooner or later -- products are going to be discounted to 50-60%, even 70%. So for an item that is priced at $20, are DAZ selling it at a loss when they sell it for $10 ... or are they rather making an extra profit when, to their amazement, someone actually pays full price for it?

    I don't think DAZ killed their own market. Rather, they have developed a business model that involves listing products at prices that are well above what they expect to sell them for. They expect to make the majority of their sales at the "discounted" price, and a smaller number at the "full" price.

    The point, of course, is to capitalize on everyone's desire for a bargain. Psychology says that if we see a product advertised at a 'full price' of $10, we'll go "Nah, I'll wait until it's on sale." But if DAZ price the same product at $20, and then tell us it's on sale at 50% off for the next 48 hours only, our reaction is "Ohmigod! I have to get it now while it's cheap!"

    If DAZ was actually producing the items, that would be true for their "real costs". But they are a content broker, and take a share of sales. Or, to make a real world comparision, DAZ is like the supermarket chain that sells milk product at growingly steeper discounts, reaching a point where the diary farmers (the PAs) no longer can work cost efficiently from the share they receive. And the consumers in the supermarket only buy on days when they milk is extra cheap because they know that they price will predictably drop. That way, the diary farmers lose theirt footing, because the supermarket points out "yeah, you see, they only buy at the cheapest price, so that's all you and me get".

    Any attempmpts of coming back to a more sustainable price model will the inevitably lead to cunsomer riots due to the "desire for barhain" mechanism which you described. So yes, they killed their own market, a chance to balance everything, the moment the insane sales began.

    Not to mention, this probably isn't the best time in the world to ask for more discretionary income from ppl who almost universally have a lot less than they did just a year ago ;). 

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019

    AllenArt said:

     

    Not to mention, this probably isn't the best time in the world to ask for more discretionary income from ppl who almost universally have a lot less than they did just a year ago ;). 

    That, too.
  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    I do have sympathy with the PAs and the margins they have to endure to make a living. However, my buying power is determined by my meagre income. I am not complaining about my income - it is what it is and I have enough to eat, pay my rent and keep warm in winter. I don't have enough to pay for an expensive hobby so, without the big discounts I just wouldn't be here posting this. I might be learning to play my old electronic keyboard (something I've long promised myself but never actually done anything about). Or I might have taken up oil painting again (something I enjoyed during my teens and early 20s, half a century ago).

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,774

    BeeMKay said:

    On chance of getting flamed... Frankly said, they killed their own market years ago by throwing in those insane discounts all the time. As much as I love buying cheap, you're not ging to survive if you're on sale all the time. Reading through this threat, it just confirms this to me, the shopping attitude people have developed is a direct result of the market strategy DAZ rode.

    I mean, "other places" mentioned here so often don't discount so heavily, and people still buy. Being predictable and give folks something they can calculate with is better than insane discount games.

    Totally agree. I shop and sell at normal 3D sites and have always mentioned how cheap things are here compared to the usual market value. This doesn't impact me that much because most of my buying as of late is for commercial projects, so I just pass the cost on. In the past I have paid full price if I really didn't have the time to make it or needed it for a personal project. I always view DAZ as a business first and a community last and understand the profit and loss concept since I work in retail managment (our prices are thru the roof now)

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    EVERYTHING has gone up. It's true. Makes me cry just to have to do grocery shopping these days.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    JasonSWrench said:

    I think part of the problem is the target market for DAZ seems to have changed on their end. At one point, they really were targeting hobbyists and people wanting to get into 3D art. Overtime, this model seems to have shifted. I don’t know many hobbiests who could keep up purchasing at these prices. I used to wake up in the middle of the night to see what was new (and more often than not buy something). I have 16,600+ pieces in my install manager. Honestly, I have enough content to play with till the cows come home (hell, I have a DAZ cow). But I’ve watched as my buying power at DAZ has dwindled. The prices have gone up and amount of content one gets has simply dwindled. I used to flock to the new pro releases. Now, I rarely purchase a new DAZ figure because they’re outlandishly priced with hardly any supporting content. DAZ also does not seem to appreciate its customers any more. Maybe I was just lucky to start DAZ when I did, but they’ve changed, and not for the better, in the last few years. I will miss the company that sent me a free 3D printed Victoria in the mail for being a good customer. I can’t imagine this new DAZ doing something like that. 

    ...agreed.  

    I've been here long enough to remember 99¢ PC items, straightforward sales without a bunch of gimmicks or hoops to jump through, and vouchers for having a gallery submission accepted, as well as for those in the PC (that didn't have a minimum purchase limit). I remember when March Madness was the biggest sale event of the year next to the PA sale in fall. Today both are pretty much  "ho hum" and even the PC (or Daz+) sales have been losing their lustre (last year's PC+ sale frequently required buying themed bundles as the key to unlock additional savings and specials).  I can understand the effects of inflation on prices, like PC items going up in price from .99¢ over time (though adjusted for inflation alone, a 99¢ item in 2007 would be about 1.35$ today instead of 4.99$).  All this branching into other realms like Avatars, NFTs, merchandising, and Enterprise licensing  has been leaving the original core of community behind more and more. 

    Hobbyists don't usually make much if anything off their work and a good many of us are on limited incomes as well and feel we are being feeling priced out of the hobby with some of the moves and changes that have occurred over the years.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    bytescapes said:

    BeeMKay said:

    On chance of getting flamed... Frankly said, they killed their own market years ago by throwing in those insane discounts all the time. As much as I love buying cheap, you're not ging to survive if you're on sale all the time.

    Not a flame, but I think it's worth asking what the "real" price of a product sold at DAZ is.

    People who shop at DAZ regularly know that -- sooner or later -- products are going to be discounted to 50-60%, even 70%. So for an item that is priced at $20, are DAZ selling it at a loss when they sell it for $10 ... or are they rather making an extra profit when, to their amazement, someone actually pays full price for it?

    I don't think DAZ killed their own market. Rather, they have developed a business model that involves listing products at prices that are well above what they expect to sell them for. They expect to make the majority of their sales at the "discounted" price, and a smaller number at the "full" price.

    The point, of course, is to capitalize on everyone's desire for a bargain. Psychology says that if we see a product advertised at a 'full price' of $10, we'll go "Nah, I'll wait until it's on sale." But if DAZ price the same product at $20, and then tell us it's on sale at 50% off for the next 48 hours only, our reaction is "Ohmigod! I have to get it now while it's cheap!"

    ...good point.  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    Torquinox said:

    My wallet remains closed due to saving for an unreasonably expensive new computer. Until that issue is finally resolved and the new box is up and running, I don't need anything more.

    ....yeah same here given the upgrade I need to move to W11. Already "downscaled" it a bit from a 10 core i9 10900K to the 8 core i7 11700KF as the price of the i9 recently went up.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,737

    So is the new release discount back to 30% today?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ...looks like it given the discount on the DOs for PC....errr..Daz+ memners 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,497

    as a non DAZ+ customer I can assure you it is 30% for me too

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    as a non DAZ+ customer I can assure you it is 30% for me too

    ...for Daz+ members the discount comed to 51%  The last few days it was 45%. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,497

    kyoto kid said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    as a non DAZ+ customer I can assure you it is 30% for me too

    ...for Daz+ members the discount comed to 51%  The last few days it was 45%. 

    ah yes of course

    it was 21% for me the previous 2 days 

  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,579

    JasonSWrench said:

    I think part of the problem is the target market for DAZ seems to have changed on their end. At one point, they really were targeting hobbyists and people wanting to get into 3D art. Overtime, this model seems to have shifted. I don’t know many hobbiests who could keep up purchasing at these prices. I used to wake up in the middle of the night to see what was new (and more often than not buy something). I have 16,600+ pieces in my install manager. Honestly, I have enough content to play with till the cows come home (hell, I have a DAZ cow). But I’ve watched as my buying power at DAZ has dwindled. The prices have gone up and amount of content one gets has simply dwindled. I used to flock to the new pro releases. Now, I rarely purchase a new DAZ figure because they’re outlandishly priced with hardly any supporting content. DAZ also does not seem to appreciate its customers any more. Maybe I was just lucky to start DAZ when I did, but they’ve changed, and not for the better, in the last few years. I will miss the company that sent me a free 3D printed Victoria in the mail for being a good customer. I can’t imagine this new DAZ doing something like that. 

    Great post!

    So true.

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