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Oh, the maximum December loyalty discount was less and applied to fewer products. These things all add up...
I am worried about this too. I don't buy a lot of new releases apart from DAZ+ throughout most of the year, but I do during March Madness and the other big sales, as they can often be grabbed for 50% if you include another product as well. Normally I am willing to wait 60 days to get new releases at 60% rather than 30%, but if they are at 50% on release, then the thinking is the extra 10% is worth it to get them 2 or more months earlier.
On the basis of today's discounts you won't be getting 60% off in 60 days, you'll get 40%, unless you buy two new releases that you probably don't want at 20% off.
But today is just one day. It's just an experiment, is my guess. Will the market stand for higher prices?
Something I've noticed is that this hasn't actually affected how much money I spend on stuff. What's changed is where I spend it. Another site has done much better out of me than they have in the past.
(For me the spending pattern changed when they gave away discounts through the night then cancelled them just as I got up. Every day.)
It's more worrying to me, since this is more or less the last place I was spending money - I got caught up in the "R"'s credit card theft issue about 8 years ago, and found their private message regarding "we had a problem with the payment processor" to be... horribly inadequate, and thus I stopped spending there because I couldn't trust them to do what was right (versus what was the minimum they were legally required to do). Thankfully my bank's fraud department caught it immediately, but I also had to go without my card for a week... and I was already using it heavily for many things, so it crimped a lot of stuff at the time to not have it, which increased my annoyance at them.
I'm not really happy at the way the 3D market has wound up consolidating - it's never good for the end user to have it consolidated like that. I work in printing, and I constantly deal with the annoyances generated by Adobe basically owning the software market over there, and what amounts to the demands they now make on print shops regarding expected workflow versus what workflow could be before. We're down to only two big players who own their respective software packages, and a smattering of smaller outfits that are nibbling around for the crumbs the big two just won't touch. The places like turbosquid charging the much higher prices aren't aimed at the hobbyists, either - they're aimed squarely at the professionals who need a fully rigged and textured and templated whatever for their video for a client on a crisp deadline.
this is the 4th day out of the last 7 with the 20% off . 2 were Monday and Tuesday. This is Saturday and Sunday. A good experiment, yes? Weekend vs weekday purchasing
So 70-75% off on darn near a constant bases isn't a good sale? I'm sure us PA's would be happy to hear that we still aren't appreciated and don't deserve to be paid for our hard work.
I rarely bought new stuff anyway, but as someone that never buys anything at > $10, only 40% off the PAs will make a bigger difference. I think that's the first day they did that?
This was released last week. You can tell because it's 20% off...
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mavis-outfit-for-genesis-81-female
As a result, I have three things in my wishlist at 50% off (the only three things > 30% barring PC+)
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-imogen-outfit-for-genesis-81-females
So I think only offering a base 40% discount on PAs that made new releases is new, so those items cost 20% more than they would have done prior to last week. What's most telling for me is what my wishlist looks like: a list of items at full price.
As someone else said above, my saving today is 100% on Daz, although I just spent £18 on three items on a little independent site I like to support...
While you do have a point here with regard to supportiung the PA's - the thing here is mainly managing expectations. The other stores are not going in with such high discounts, but are having a stable and reliable discounting schema. The only reliable thing at Daz is that it is not reliable.
I think the rant here is not targeted against the PA's at all. If not for supporting the PA's I like I would have waved good-bye after the NFT stunt that Daz did last year. And the current behaviour does not really encourage me to stay very much longer. I think once my store credit is gone, so am I.
It's an economy problem. I can only spend my money one time, and my budget remains more or less fixed. Less discount is less sales in volume. I assume that goes for a lot of people unless you have a lot of expendable income.
Going to assume management probably will look at the bottom line at some point (and the PAs)
Since I already own a lot of products right now, I have been more and more making my own assets or kitbashing them together. If products were cheaper, I probably wouldn't do that.
On the topic of support. Some PAs I would love to support with a Patreon, but I don't think a lot of PAs have that or at least don't communicate it (or if it is even possible with their deal with DAZ Productions)
I used to enjoy shopping at DAZ. I have thousands of products. However, my shopping has had to stop, because $20 is serious money where I live, and I can do a lot of things with $20. I would not mind so much if the quality or originality was there, but 90% of current products are minor variations of past products and texturing is sloppy or rushed. So no.
The discount level is to some extent a red herring. What matters is what I pay, and now I have to ask serious questions before purchasing anything.
Oh please thats not what is meant.
Perhaps you should consider Daz's lack of comunication and regard for its customers before you attack those customers, why should we spend here, the state of the store the mess the forums are etc and then the guilt trip vendors.
What I would really really love is for the store to take down prices to half of what they are now (like others here, the sales strategy so far has left me with the impression that about 50% off is, in DAZ's eyes at least, the true value of most products), and then basically stop that crazy 'a sale every day, new releases every day' frenzy. I'm so, so tired of it, and the lackluster sales and new releases of the last few weeks tell me that DAZ probably, is too.
I mean, what I really want to do here is be able to simply buy lovely content when I need it and / or when I want it and not have to wishlist things for ages, or watch the store like a hawk for sales, or any of these things. Sales are nice, but I do have a life, and I just don't get why buying here is made so weirdly difficult. If items were priced between, say, 5 and 15 bucks, depending on effort, 20 for big sets and original figures, I could just set my budget and then buy accordingly. Imagine that, just coming here and actually buying what you want, without having to compare three selections first, then choose A, B, and C to get a discount on D which will then, eventually, get you what you actually wanted at an affordable price ...
Also, maybe it's time for DAZ to give the PAs a higher cut ...?
Yeah, that's a tough one. Collectively, we want PAs to get paid and we also want really good deals to get all we can for the money we have. It seems internally inconsistent, but it's the old argument about selling a few items at a higher price or a lot of items at a lower price. In a perfect world, we would all just buy all the items that catch our fancy without regard for price. But in the real world, we can't do that. And there is the statistical fact of inflation and the reality of supply chain issues and shortages.
Please don't get upset, you must know that people in this thread really love the work you guys do! - Concerning 70 - 75% off, I'm sorry but I've not been seeing discounts that high for quite a long time, most definitely not on a 'near constant basis' - not for PA items, that is. Maybe you're referring to DOs, and maybe specially to those in the flash sales of the recent weeks - which we 'Non-DAZ-Timezoners' were unfortunately unable to participate in?
See, what I really want is to buy what I really want - not what DAZ wants to force on me at the moment, for whatever reasons. So even if they reduced all their DOs by 90% percent, it'd still not do me any good for the PA items on my wishlist - which are not being reduced like this, especially not if they're not from one of the, say, 10+ big vendors.
thats not the case now is it, for the most part ... other than FstGrab look today ... 64% max ... not bad that, but those sales would be higher before.
DAZ needs to slam on the brakes and explain their new plan to their customers. I think many would buy new items without a discount if they wanted that item. Maybe have the discount for 1 or 2 days, but also stop with the new every day of the week. Slow this train down a little bit. Make what comes out more wanted by reducing quantity. Sell high quality but not as much of it constantly. Then have the big sales like now and an occasional flash bang sale. Keep Fast Grab. Make the DAZ+ coupons stackable on everything, on sale or not. Maybe some incentive on gift cards once in awhile and DAZ+ ... something hard to pass by on. These are just ideas, but this crazy out of control sytem needs to change. And bring back the old bundle system - a character or two and a theme, that actually fits together.
Here's another elephant in the room: We all know there is considerable loss to piracy in all online digital products. A certain amount of that is going to happen Just Because the stuff exists online. I doubt any of us would look to a pirate site because of the ethical issues with doing that, but we are also told we forumites are a minority that barely registers on the Daz radar. We have no way of gauging the truth of that. We also don't know what other ancillary losses these undeniable price increases might be causing among the so-called silent majority. So, I don't know the answer, but at what point does the trend to price increase lead to increased piracy as well as less legitimate purchase?
There is always options to the craziness...
I just bought 3 new release at another 3d store today, (Sorry not allowed to link to them) from Pa's that use to sell here at Daz, some really nice stuff a g8.1 character, a complete lingerie deforce outfit not sold in piece meal and a very nice valentine prop set. the cost with tax was $19.73 & I feel I would have paid that just for the g8.1 character here at daz if i had bought them here at daz from the same Pa's that had use to sell at daz . But that is only going by my purchase history of the past from shopping experiences in both stores & comparing the changes to the sales offer's happening now. BTW RavenStone at the other 3d store has some beautiful new character sets and they are offered in bundles sets as well at discounted prices. that are just as good as when they sold here under another Pa name. I wonder why they left daz to go there?
Oh Well ~ Some peoples sales loss are other peoples sales gains.
Hoo-boy. On any particular day there may be a couple of items at that discount, but only a couple. That's only a "constant bases [sic]" in most literal of terms. In my post I was clearly referring to special sales events back a few years ago when a substantial discount applied to a wide range of products.
Pro-tip: writing an exaggerated post such as your response just leads to people ignoring you. Compare it to Richard's style, which is much better for a company community relations position.
Same here.
if we are the 1%, why would our opinions on the situation matter?
For example, I only need so many ancient bridges or medieval houses etc, I still buy more of them though if they are heavily discounted.
I don't even look at which PA it is unless it's a handful I avoid because of consistent artistic choices they make to limit useability such as being in one piece, sets need to be kitbash able, modular for me and certainly not full of self promotion with their name on everything.
I can understand why DAZ's prices are going up. Same as a lot of other manufacturers. Supply problems.
They're having trouble trucking in all the bits they need to keep their shelves stocked for download.
And if we are the 1%, or even 10%, how is the opinion of the other 90-99% determined? Psychics? Or is it purely a sales metric? If it sells, it must be what people want?
Wages didn't increase much the past year. Expenses did. As a result, my monthly budget for DS assets definitely couldn't increase by some 10-20 percent. If anything, I should probably decrease it by about 10%. The increased prices and lowered discounts effectively mean that less products fit within my DS budget. So, I'm way more scrupulous in my spending, even to the point that I cleared complete carts because I simply could get more stuff of comparable quality at another store, or I just moved some of the budget allocation to my savings for a wood lathe (which might still change into a band saw, either would be very useful).
The result might be, that I buy less stuff here. Too bad for the PA's, but, well, that's how economics work. I'm not under any obligation to buy anything here, and if the store treats me like a milk cow instead of a customer, then I just bring the limited amound of funds I have available elsewhere. Whether that's Rendo or some local hardware store, doesn't matter, Daz isn't entitled to having me as a customer.
Each customer is a boon and should be treated as such. Yes, customers should sometimes be grateful for being able to shop at a store (if you ever visited a shop in eastern europe during Soviet times, you'll understand this better), instead of taking it for granted as well, but it does work both ways. When a store evolves in a way that causes customers to feel treated less, then, no matter the reason, the store should consider and understand that customers will feel less inclined to do business, or may even leave entirely.
Wow, that's crazy talk! Let's check out the real situation according to the Daz Store. You have 2 stores, ArtCollab and ArtCollaborations.
here is another thing - we may only be 1-10% of sales, but if you lose us, the next group will be the 1-10% ... it won't stop. I think a lot of folks that frequent the forum are also people that have been here for quite a long time. I may be wrong there, but they have seen the changes over time and it hits pretty darn hard, when it went from DAZ owners and crew being with us in the forums, to now its an afterthought or when the pleebs get restless.
I was here even before Daz3D was Daz3D (Zygote) and even before there was a Mike and Vicky. I'll just say this - Daz3D is now a mere shadow of it's former self. 'Nuff said ;)
Laurie
I find it hard to believe the other 90-99% don't care what they pay. Surely the sentiment here is going to be representative?
I am fairly new to the forum, but I can assure you that had this happened last year, I would have noticed, and I would have... had an opinion.
yes .. I was too. Back when PFO and all that. Free stuff before commercial sales took place Started on Poser 1. Can we say that?