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I came back to DAZ after 15 years or so of absence in 2019 I think, and I was really happy to be back at first. Lots of great products, excellent quality, just sooo much creativity everywhere, and the store feeling like such a welcoming place. There were great sales, but not every day, and great new items, but, like, once or twice a week I think. The sales that were made often had interesting themes. I also remember, gratefully, the way DAZ extended the PC+ status to everyone for a day during the first PC+ sale in the beginning of the pandemic, and let us members use the DO coupon three times instead of just once. That was such a sweet and truly generous gesture. And there were others like that. They made me feel welcome, and that I was dealing with sympathizing human beings. I loved shopping here for quite some time then.
These days, I get the feeling DAZ still wants to seem generous, but not really be it. So many sales look great at first glance, and then you see all the crazy conditions, and pre-conditions, and exemptions, and no coupons apply, and not this PA or this or that, and all of that ... Often leaves me thinking, well, if you don't really want to have a sale, why don't you just NOT do it?! I'm not stupid, you know. And I do compute.
I want the other DAZ back. Even with weird store glitches and all that. So much more fun.
First of all I want to apologize, I see I had another case of bad wording and not elaborating properly so lets try again. What I was trying to say is that these very large discounts and/or stacking discounts that are happening on a almost daily bases are really hitting close to home with hearing everyone saying I'm not buying unless it's 70% off or more. That % was just an example I gave of the highest that it's been, not an every day discount. I didn't mean for it to be taken literal so sorry for that. Large and stacking discounts have been hurting some people and for the most part, that's just business, but when you see constant complaints about it not being enough it really hits home for a PA. It makes you feel like why am I even bothering because I can't even break even on a product at these prices and it's still not enough. I know all to well that isn't the focus of this topic but it is an example that very few people even take into consideration.
For my part, I totally understand you getting frustrated, and I think it's great that some of you PAs are communicating with us on this issue. We're in this together, right? I don't want endlessly accelerating sales that leave PAs with nothing, absolutely not. I want decent prices, and not being treated like a fool. If the stacking coupons are such a bad thing for PAs, then I understand that they had to be curbed. But why could DAZ not just talk to us about it, the way you 're doing right now? That I just don't get. Why not even a blog post explaining, or something, anything like that?
Well, conquer the market and then raise prices. I think, given how DAZ has copied a lot of sales tactics from other industries (Season Passes, NFT's, etc.) there's a decent chance they might also be testing out the potential of what those industries would call 'whale buyers'. If those who can afford a lot will still bite at higher prices, then it doesn't matter as much that folks whith less disposable income have to buy less.
Whether that is actually the case, who knows? Personally I am doubtful, though. There is a lot of good content at other places, still. And given that everything is getting more expansive and wages sort of stagnating in the western world, having a product that is not as affected by supply chain problems might also be a good reason to actually not get more expansive.
Will be interesting to see where this is going. Does hurt, though, not getting a new Stonemason product.
I understand completely. I don't care for the company I work for or the way they do business, but I like my colleagues.
Daz's business model is reason why I'm reluctant to go below a certain discount. Is there anywhere else quite like Daz? A site where prices change wildly, and randomly, always by the day, sometimes by the hour. When you've been here more that a week, you realise that all you need to do is wait and you'll get something for a 70%+ discount, so why would you not do that?
The only reason would be because you really want something. Right now, I really want to learn, so I'll gladly pay more for courses, but for clothes, hair and characters? I have no shortage, so I'll wait.
Personally, I'd prefer some stability. Sell the products for slightly above their current average price (which might be something like 40% off - a similar price to what it would cost over on the other site where I often buy things at 0% off), and offer occasional sales at maybe 30% off. And don't run them between 1AM and 5AM. Make them last at least a day, Isn't that how most sites operate, regardless of what they sell? Imagine if Amazon changed their prices every day!
the other large site also tells you when the sale ends, plus they use a time that doesn;t leave you guessing 11:59PM U.S. CST . For those anywhere on the planet, the sale will be there for 24 hours and usually a couple days, so you don't need to worry about it going away or whatever.
and to be clear, I was not complaining about the smaller discount because it actually saves me 100%
just giving feedback
Accepted!
I have been only buying things that I desperately need lately.
It just seems like the sales are not as good these days. And everything seems more expensive in general (inflation?) or is it my imagination?
I can only afford so much.
This is the one I purchased on Amazon, which is from 2017 so a much older version of Studio:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XFK9DHB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Many of the 3D, shader, and material concepts are universal though, so would not be a total waste of time.
When I started exploring Daz, I had a nice stash of income squirrled away that I felt I could use. The friend who linked me to the program warned me to watch it because it was easy to get caught up in buying the add-ons (the actual things to use in the program for those of us not clever enough to create them ourselves). It is like an addition.
But after re-installing multiple times on various computers for various reasons, and now a new install on a new computer, I am realizing just how much product I have! Still well over 16,600 products left to download. But during that time, I generally was one who could not resist buying on the first, maybe the second day of release of an item. Bought at that 30% off level. I have a wish list, but actually whittling it down is hard. Especially when now you almost need to buy 2 - 3 new things to get any discount.
Now, add in a recent expensive car repair, a dog who is needing long-term medical care at the end of his life, a food bugget that keeps growing and this winter a need to replace winter clothing that wore out after five years. Nothing is cheap.
So, there are expenses I have for charities, political donations, newspapers... but I have taken a hard look there too. The one budget item I can be flexible on is Daz. So, I am trying very hard to keep to a budget, limiting my cart to a once a week purchase that doesn't go over a certain amount. During the week I put things in, and may take them out. At the end of the month, I see my total spending is down. Good for me.
But for the PAs I respect and look for their products, I may have to juggle and defer to a later purchase. And it hurts me, because I know that if an item comes out in their name, they are going to get that little bit less income. So I keep to my juggling act to squeeze in the best into each cart.
Being on a fixed income is a pain, and yes both of them got COLA increases. But other things got bigger ones for corporate executives.
This is not against PAs, this is economics. I also don't go to movies, have a bunch of paid channels, like Netscape, Disney+ or whatever.
If you consider DAZ as a pocket economy, the past sales / policies have created a run away economy. There's no easy way to change that.
It's like a blockbuster movie. If the first act ends with a big explosion, the next act has to have bigger explosions.Eventually the viewer gets numb. The explosions get more and more outlandish...
Can PAs decide to not participate in a sale? Or are they fully dependent on DAZ's decisions?
it's a PA decision.
But then the PAs decide if they join the sale route, am I right?
And they could tell the customers, they will always get the listed predictable price (maybe a little lower default price, but no additional sales anymore). So, customers would not be in the "trap" of waiting for the next big sale. So, customers decide "I like the product and want to have it - and because it won't get on sale, I buy now or maybe never".
Or is this a to simplistic view on the subject?
PAs may choose to participate in special sales, or even request a special sale (as with RawArt's birthday) but the introductory sale is set up by Daz as far as I am aware.
Ok, that solves my confusion. Thanks for the answer.
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Wait PAs can choose to be a in a sale or not??? Seriously where and how? I've never heard this.
Its rough I think that a lot of PAs have to price around knowing that things go on a steep discount and then when that discount does nto happen that item is affected... its an ongoing balancing act, trying to give the most we can for the best price we can so more people will buy it. But the pAs aren't in control of sales that happen or anything that I know. The exceptions being the obvious PA sales that everyone knows about.
Another very good reason you're giving here why the excessive sales policy should stop and items be priced lower, but consistent - with a few big sales during the year and fixed prices otherwise. It's totally weird that consumers AND PAs basically have to wait for sales to achieve what everyone thinks of as a 'normal' base line price.
Well, another day of wishlist growth. I'm not even in the mood to hunt for other deals.
One question though: I remember those alerts/messages from the past. But then they had been used to communicate exclusive discounts (like you own this, you get that). Nowadays those messages only reflect mainstream promotions which are also already "priced in" the main sales description. Like todays 60% on PA stuff. You can only get it (actually it's 59% with my cart) if you have the bundle mentioned in the message.
Yeah, sorry, I shou;d have been clearer. It was special sales I was thinking of when I said that.
Rather than just moan about things geting worse, I will also take the time to say that I'm pleased it's (not currently) ever day. It's interesting the physchological effect that little number has. It's not just about spending money, it's as much about how I feel when I look further down the page at the other offers. Currently I find that if it says 20%, I don't even bother to look. It's not a concious thing, it's just that it sucks away my interest.
Today I felt much more engaged. I bought one of the new products, and four tutorials too. (I even managed to ID the outfit in Cordelia's main promo picture and I am usually terrible at that!)
Of course, I'm just one person, and maybe it's not the same for others.
According to Richard apparently not: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/7320146/#Comment_7320146
I now start to understand why the Hivewire artists transferred to rendo ...
Well that says a lot. So potential hot sellers go for 20%, other stuff for 30%. Thanks DAZ, no wonder that I have a hard time to do away with my store credits.
I haven't spent any money (store credit) here since February 2.
This store is a frustrating chaotic mess. Search is completely worthless. Fluctuating intro percents are just the tip of the iceberg of customer alienation.
I feel like I am grieving the loss of my old friend Daz 3D.
It's the same for me, although I only got one tutorial. I was going to wishlist the pizza, and if it had been 20% off, I would've passed on the tutorial and it. I will not cooperate with or give tacit approval for policies that will make the future unbearable.