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I really miss the old DAZ3D. Both the really fun store in the days of Dan Farr and Chris Creek and even the later times of great pro bundle deals all seem to be gone now.
Lkewise.
Same 20%off introductory discount today and this time on Daz Originals too. Definitely NOT a glitch..
The 20% off was already applied to new DO too if there were some released that day.
I think the sad part is (at least for Daz) is that more of my money since last year has been going to the other store. The base prices are usually cheaper to start with, the sales are way less confusing, and in general the QC is better (Which feels weird saying with Daz giving the impression it's a larger, more professional company). They know what their market is and what works and they seem to be successful enough, even the vendor quality and originality is going up more and more the past year. I still buy here at Daz, but except for the odd bit or piece of "really need it for a render", everything I've bought here has been at least 70-80% off. I don't think I ever gotten anything for more than 50% at Rendo.
Over here I feel like Daz is in a manic attempt to figure out what the next fad isand throwing the long term Daz Studio users overboard in the chance to chase after things like:
None of which ever seems to stick, and yet in the end somehow they come back to us with their arms open after the latest crackpot scheme failed. I just wish they'd focus on whatever it is they're deciding is their core business and stick with it.
Good will and history only gets you so far in business.
This. ^
This is exactly what I've been doing. If it is a 20% day I add stuff to wishlist if it looks really good. A large part of my thinknig is I don't want to encorage Daz to make this change by showing I'll still spend my money if they take away tha extra discount.
Yes, the issue is highly psycological. The way Daz behaves gives me the impression that I am no longer a valued customer. But they are not just hitting the customer side of the money chain, they also hit the suppying side. Based on my own buying behaviour, and judging by the various comments from the forum, I suppose that it negatively affects the PA's sales as well. And I have heard such from PA's that are active on the forum.
Well, that seems a bit against common logic. If a product is sold for a bit more, and the extra is shared between daz and the PA, the PA should actually get more. I am pretty sure that is not the case.
My reaction to the discount change was: very well, the I am not buying iot now but parking it on my whishlist.
What does that now mean for the PA on release day? Short example based on a $10 product.
With the old discount, the product would cost $7 in real money. According to Daz terms (available on the web site), Daz is sharing 50% of the profits with the PA. Lets say the $7 are the profits. So the PA should get $3.50
Reducing the discount, the real money to be paid would be $8. That leaves $4 for the PA. So the PA should get more money. Same applies to Daz. So far for the theory.
In practice this means that the PA is NOT getting $0.50 more. It also vcould mean that the PA gets $3.50 less.
E.g. in my case. I will not ever buy a new release with 20% discount. So, instead of $3.50, the PA gets $0
As said, this is psycology at work. Daz have spoiled their customers with discounts that were getting more and more crazy. Now the customers have a ceratin expectation, and if that is not met, psycology kicks in.
I believe the PA does get their 50% of the increase. The reason they are negatively affected is because more people are not buying and so they have fewer sales.
Yes, I think that will be the case, if everyone else thinks the way I do. It's hardly any money at all (on a single purchase) but it will build up, and...
I think I'm not even wishlishlisting as much. I just say to myself "Oh, it's 20% today, I'll go and look at the competition and come back tomorrow".
It seems really stupid, because we're not talking a lot of money (because I hardly even bought at 30% off), but somehow, it seems to be the difference between "I might buy something I really and can see a use for immediately" and "I'll never buy, so wishlist at best". I don't even look at how they affect the other offers. I just move on. It's almost subliminal.
What I am experiencing: I DID enjoy Daz shopping as an early morning routine. I no longer do. I check the discounts on new releases. "Oh, we have a 20% day. Good-bye and thanks for the fish." I might put an item or two on my whishlist, but that's it. I am not even checking anything that may or may not stack. Thanks a lot Daz, you really messed it up for me.
The 20% thing by itself probably isn't a deal killer. But for me it's introduction was the moment I took a look at what I was spending here, and the result was frightening - I can't believe my own stupidity. I've bought nothing since, and probably only visited this place out of habit.
Despite the thousands I've spent here, I always had the feeling that I was seen as little more than an inconvenience by Daz, whereas anywhere else customers who spend what we do are treated like royalty. I'm done. I don't even wishlist anymore. I'll find another hobby to see me through my retirement.
Good luck, Daz, with your non-fungbubbles or whatever they are, and any other business ventures - but beware of killing all the geese that lay the golden eggs.
I'm not abandoning this ship alltogether yet, but spending-wise I'm similar affected. Take Teen Kola 8.1 for example. OK, this time 30% plus membership discount and a very mild coupon collector discount but still nearly $60 for a 7-items bundle with the HD and the meta-mixer for another $20 as they give a discount for buying them together but no discount on the bundle.
In the past the Kola bundle would have included 10+ items with the HD included or as a free addon. The coupon discount would have been rather 20%. Some additional addons would have been offered with buying 2 or 3 would have discounted the bundle further. In addition a storecredit kickback or some free DAZ originals or maybe even one free bundle would have been offered as well. All in all I would have spent probably the same or maybe even more money for the cart but I would have been a happy customer.
Now I see the (higher) price and what (little) I will get and do not buy anything at all. Will probably move from daily store checks to an every wednesday routine as I mostly purchased DAZ+ items the last weeks anyhow.
10% off the Kola bundle is NOT a real discount and 15% off the mega bundle is just an insult to very loyal customers who spend a lot of money here since such a long time!
I would be very careful with the wording if I were Daz because NO, ABSOLUTE NO, it's NOT a mega saving when the price to pay for a bundle (after the "mega discount" is applied) is $145.76!!!!!
Yup .... my purchases have plummeted way ... way ... down. It's just too cute for me. Too many forced purchses of extraneous stuff to get to what I want. Now, if I still needed all that stuff, then maybe it would be a good deal, but I don'r need any of the forced stuff, so I just pass on those "deals." These forced bundle deals are also ... insane. I'll wait till the big discounts roll in, and if they stop those too, oh well ... the we'll see more plummeting, maybe even an over the cliff fall. Great to be able to vote with one's purchasing dollar!
same here .... quick check, nothing to see, later bye.
it's a marketing (idea) glitch that will go bust in 10, 9, 8, 7 ....
exactly my thought .... it is one way of how to compensate for the new sales strategy with 20% stuff, bundles conditions, etc. One problem would be: who has the time, or wants to, constantly check in with DAZ to see if a Flash sale is happening? And people in Europe have already complained that running sales while they sleep is, well .... inconvenient in terms of geeting proper shut eye.
Which is a bit silly, since I miss 9 out of 10 flash sales. If not 99 out of 100 flash sales.. So I rarely spend money on those either. And it seems this applies to several more European based customers. Especially now we figured out that the most interesting flash sales tend to happen between 4 AM and 8 AM, so why even bother with the "lesser" flash sales when we already feel treated like B-grade customers? We've also got better things to do than refresh the first page every whole hour to check for a flash sale that may or may not take place.
Today, by accident, I encountered a decent hair-flash-sale when combined with 3+ new releases, and there were some pieces I found interesting in both the Kola bundles (helmets and environments, for those who wonder), so for once I managed to make use of it. But, quite often, flash sales are either mediocre, or require a combination with new releases when those aren't interesting, or the flash sale times out before I even had time to look through it and the new releases. For all I care, the flash sales may be abandoned, while the new release sales get improved.
I don't recall seeing a 20% day for a little while. I think since the dinosaurs and everything since have been 30%. Hopefully they decided it wasn't working but it's a bit early to tell. Fingers crossed...
As someone who prefers to wait longer to pay less, I prefer the flash sales, but I will buy new releases for 30% off if I really like them. As I said before though, 20% seems to cross some sort of line inside my head and I won't touch them. I expect I'll get today's OOT hair as it's a 30% discount, but for 20%, I'd wishlist it.
(The flash sales / timezone thing has been fixed too, which is maybe why you managed to catch it.)
There was speculation before that maybe they'd lower the initial discounts to 20%, then out them back to 30% during March Madness.
Well that's not what they did! I'd have to question the wisdom of starting a huge sale event with 20% discounts. Weren't they 46% last year? I rarely buy at 30% off, so if the new tactic is to make you buy multiple items to get back to that level I just don't see it happening.
I kind of found this funny, and a little sad. My guess is that they are hoping people will overlook it to get the free items, but they all look too old to tempt me to buy a new item.
This isn't a complaint, it's intended as feedback.
This is a big reason why I am just barely on the 8.1 bandwagon. The bundles are a joke compared to the past Pro bundles and you get less "add on" stuff and discounts as you mentioned. Net effect is they want me to pay more for less content. I'm one of those customers who usually makes it a point to buy male products to encourage PAs to make them but even that is not enough with how they're currently doing things.
Looks like my gift card I had hoped, but didn't really expect would make it through february may actually make it through march as well given the "madness" we are currently seeing, lol.
Day 1 is a joke really. Early on the prices were listed at 44% and 61% off in the new releases Mad whatever its called. ..this turned out to be worng, but instead of giving the customer a carrot, they took it away. Guess what, I emptied my cart too.
feel the same way. I loved the old DAZ ..and as Charlie Judge state, when Dan Farr and CHris Creek were here it was especially great. Having been through those years, and seeing what now is, its not even the same place, even close. If it weere not for my continued feelings for the place, fast leaving my mind though, I would just not come here any longer. Tafi ??
I just posted in the DAZ+ section almost the exact same thing except I said it felt like a long time boyfriend I’m no longer in love with lol. My DAZ+ subscription is ending in a couple of days and I will probably leave unless there’s a decent sale to renew. It’s starting to feel more like a fast food store here than an art community. All the heart & fun has been sucked out of it.
It seems all new releases are now 20% off, even the ones that were originally offering 30%. Another glich? or a new policy?
well, there's been many comments here and there about how Rendo has better deals..I got a coupon today from them which states good on SALE items as well, not Prime items...Every item i looked at in pages of sale item had marked no coupon use, so unless you take just a little bit, 15% off full price, the coupon is uselss. It might be time to just stop buying stuff for DAZ Studio.
I've never been a big bundle buyer for "core" figures, but I've observed the changes you note. Honestly, it reminds me of a grocery marketing strategy: a package is designed to hold less but not look it. Except the food sellers usually keep prices the same