3D Printing Licences - What?

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    davidtriune said:

    i'll pay someone to add all the 100s of 3d printing licenses for me, lol

    That might be an option for some, but I'd have to employ a team of ten for at least a week.  :/     

  • Cybersox said:

    Honestly, it seems to me that the having to search things out by purchase date is the major issue here, and it would actually be more cost effective for DAZ to just push back that july 12 cutoff and give everyone a 3D license for everything in their library rather than paying for all the manhours to try and pick out specific instances and THEN have to deal with all the errata for months afterwords.

    I'm pretty sure it isn't being done manually anyway, not if they are getting through about a million items per day.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,258

    The licenses are still being added to peoples accounts. It's going to take a while to get done but they are plugging a way a it. I doubt it very highly people are sitting going through a list of Daz customers and manually adding the license to their account given a million or so being gone through a day. They said it''s going to take awhile to get it to everyone.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,750

    I've seen many licenses added to my account now, but they don't seem to have addressed the problem of after-deadline bundle purchases wiping out the original purchase date if individual items. I still do not have licenses for those before-deadline individual items.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,258

    We did bring it to their attention to be looked at.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,382

    Cybersox said:

    Honestly, it seems to me that the having to search things out by purchase date is the major issue here, and it would actually be more cost effective for DAZ to just push back that july 12 cutoff and give everyone a 3D license for everything in their library rather than paying for all the manhours to try and pick out specific instances and THEN have to deal with all the errata for months afterwords.

    Honestly, it's their generosity that's the "problem".

    If they'd been smart, they'd have announced $1.99 3D printing licences and giving us a 50%-off sale for all items purchased before July 12th. The few dozen people who actually want and plan to print commercially would have been greatful and purchased aome older products' licenses for 99¢ during the sale and newer ones for $1.99 when needed to print commercially while 99% of the customer base would have thought, "Oh, that's nice, and a reasonable price should I ever want to do commercial 3D printing" and gone about their day, the same way as with any other sale of something that doesn't interest them.

    It's only when they decided to give away something for free that it became a huge problem and created this weeks-long kurfuffle. "No good deed goes unpunished".

    -- Walt Sterdan

  • RangerRickRangerRick Posts: 289

    wsterdan said:

    Cybersox said:

    Honestly, it seems to me that the having to search things out by purchase date is the major issue here, and it would actually be more cost effective for DAZ to just push back that july 12 cutoff and give everyone a 3D license for everything in their library rather than paying for all the manhours to try and pick out specific instances and THEN have to deal with all the errata for months afterwords.

    Honestly, it's their generosity that's the "problem".

    If they'd been smart, they'd have announced $1.99 3D printing licences and giving us a 50%-off sale for all items purchased before July 12th. The few dozen people who actually want and plan to print commercially would have been greatful and purchased aome older products' licenses for 99¢ during the sale and newer ones for $1.99 when needed to print commercially while 99% of the customer base would have thought, "Oh, that's nice, and a reasonable price should I ever want to do commercial 3D printing" and gone about their day, the same way as with any other sale of something that doesn't interest them.

    It's only when they decided to give away something for free that it became a huge problem and created this weeks-long kurfuffle. "No good deed goes unpunished".

    -- Walt Sterdan

    While I believe I see your point I disagree about what the problem was.  It should have been possible to float the idea in a meeting, talk to the right people (people who know what data is stored where and how, and can make reasonable estimates of the work and time involved), come up with a cost analysis, and proceed with the project and just add the 3dprinting license to the applicable items. I believe in high school economics you learn that there's often great demand for things that are free or limited release so it shouldn't have been a surprise.

    I admitt I didn't follow the original announcement too closely, but announcing "free licenses for DAZ Originals bought before some future date and here's a sale on DO's" would have encouraged me to scoop up some items. (well, if the price was as good or better than it had been over the passed year; And especially if there was a button I could push somewhere that would tell me I've bought texture sets or addons for items but somehow neglected to buy the base item. *groan*)

     

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,183
    wsterdan said:

    Cybersox said:

    Honestly, it seems to me that the having to search things out by purchase date is the major issue here, and it would actually be more cost effective for DAZ to just push back that july 12 cutoff and give everyone a 3D license for everything in their library rather than paying for all the manhours to try and pick out specific instances and THEN have to deal with all the errata for months afterwords.

    Honestly, it's their generosity that's the "problem".

    If they'd been smart, they'd have announced $1.99 3D printing licences and giving us a 50%-off sale for all items purchased before July 12th. The few dozen people who actually want and plan to print commercially would have been greatful and purchased aome older products' licenses for 99¢ during the sale and newer ones for $1.99 when needed to print commercially while 99% of the customer base would have thought, "Oh, that's nice, and a reasonable price should I ever want to do commercial 3D printing" and gone about their day, the same way as with any other sale of something that doesn't interest them.

    It's only when they decided to give away something for free that it became a huge problem and created this weeks-long kurfuffle. "No good deed goes unpunished".

    -- Walt Sterdan

    I think we all are grateful. It's just the fear of missing out.
  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,382

    RangerRick said:

    wsterdan said:

    Cybersox said:

    Honestly, it seems to me that the having to search things out by purchase date is the major issue here, and it would actually be more cost effective for DAZ to just push back that july 12 cutoff and give everyone a 3D license for everything in their library rather than paying for all the manhours to try and pick out specific instances and THEN have to deal with all the errata for months afterwords.

    Honestly, it's their generosity that's the "problem".

    If they'd been smart, they'd have announced $1.99 3D printing licences and giving us a 50%-off sale for all items purchased before July 12th. The few dozen people who actually want and plan to print commercially would have been greatful and purchased aome older products' licenses for 99¢ during the sale and newer ones for $1.99 when needed to print commercially while 99% of the customer base would have thought, "Oh, that's nice, and a reasonable price should I ever want to do commercial 3D printing" and gone about their day, the same way as with any other sale of something that doesn't interest them.

    It's only when they decided to give away something for free that it became a huge problem and created this weeks-long kurfuffle. "No good deed goes unpunished".

    -- Walt Sterdan

    While I believe I see your point I disagree about what the problem was.  It should have been possible to float the idea in a meeting, talk to the right people (people who know what data is stored where and how, and can make reasonable estimates of the work and time involved), come up with a cost analysis, and proceed with the project and just add the 3dprinting license to the applicable items. I believe in high school economics you learn that there's often great demand for things that are free or limited release so it shouldn't have been a surprise.

    I think my method would have eliminated all the problems we're seeing with frustration, anger, and even disgust, wouldn't have required any meetings or analyses, and if any problems did arise down the road, it would have been dealt with direclty with the *maybe* few dozen who were actually running into problem with the licenses they bought and paid for. No one seriously making 3D prints commercially is going to be worried about a perpetual, unlimited printing license for $1.99 an item. 

    DAZ most likely wrongly assumed that only people actually interested in commercial printing would be responding, not the 99% who never have and most likely never will print something for commercial use, especailly not for thousands of items each.

    -- Walt Sterdan 

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,382

    CHWT said:

    I think we all are grateful. It's just the fear of missing out.

     I agree with you; I just don't understand why anyone would be so terribly afraid of missing out on something they won't ever use to the extent of the emotions running through the last dozen pages or so.

    I'm stepping down from my cranky soapbox now, we'll see how it all turns out.

    -- Walt Sterdan

  • SilvereSilvere Posts: 46

    I just saw this today, and I'm confused on what is happening right now. After 14 pages of comments ... what is the actual state? Is Daz adding printing licenses for everyone where it is applicable? If so, maybe they should update the graphic / description instead. 

    Can I basically wait for some time to see if I my purchases get a 3D license, do I have to do something / write them, ... ?

  • metasidemetaside Posts: 178
    edited August 2022

    wsterdan said:

     I agree with you; I just don't understand why anyone would be so terribly afraid of missing out on something they won't ever use to the extent of the emotions running through the last dozen pages or so.

    I'm stepping down from my cranky soapbox now, we'll see how it all turns out.

    -- Walt Sterdan

    I think your comments were really interesting and kinda thought-provoking. Loss aversion really seems to be an important motivation, doesn't matter if the losses are real or imagined or completely irrelevant. But stuff is changing so fast, one might think "who knows how common 3D printing might become, maybe I can print something soonish in a few minutes for a few cent in a shop around the corner" or something along those lines.

    For what it's worth, I haven't been buying stuff here for a while, partly because I do a lot in UE now but also because I didn't like some changes on the site and store a while back, but I made a purchase after the printing license announcement and I'm thinking about getting a gift card in the current sale. I'm sure this giveaway will generate some goodwill with some people when the auto-adding is finally done...

     

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  • Silvere said:

    I just saw this today, and I'm confused on what is happening right now. After 14 pages of comments ... what is the actual state? Is Daz adding printing licenses for everyone where it is applicable? If so, maybe they should update the graphic / description instead. 

    Can I basically wait for some time to see if I my purchases get a 3D license, do I have to do something / write them, ... ?

    The licenses are being added to people's accounts, but it is taking some time.

  • SilvereSilvere Posts: 46

    Alright, thanks!

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    edited August 2022

    wsterdan said:

     I agree with you; I just don't understand why anyone would be so terribly afraid of missing out on something they won't ever use to the extent of the emotions running through the last dozen pages or so.

    I'm stepping down from my cranky soapbox now, we'll see how it all turns out.

    -- Walt Sterdan

    Well, had it not been for your post I wouldn't have realized the printing licenses were free... 

    When the thread started, the forums were crashing so much, that I'd open a thread and it would load and crash two seconds later, then much later when I'd try again, since the thread had loaded before it crashed, it'd load again as if I had read all the posts... so I missed a lot of posts and wasn't aware what was going on...

    Not that I really ever am...

    I'm not even quite sure what I'm doing here right now or why I'm holding an armadillo wearing a party dress (the armadillo not me), which is making it rather difficult to type...
    But I read that and was like "Whaaaaa....?"(Technically, the "a"s should get progressively smaller and there should be a tiny "t" at the end so it sounds like "What?" trailing off in confusion, not someone crying, but I'm leaving that because the armadillo bit me and ran off... so I did kinda cry too because I'm gonna miss that armadillo and it ran off with a perfectly good tiny party dress that belonged to one of the possums*)...(but I digress)

    So now I know about the freeness of the printing licenses thanks to you... I also my have lost the best armadillo I've ever known because of your post, but honestly I probably am to blame since they don't appear to enjoy being dressed up as much as possums do... which is not at all either... but anyway.

    I've got no complaints... free is free and I'm okay with picking through my library to get the licenses...

    I also don't have as many pages in my library as other people (wardrobes for forest animals are expensive) but even so I'd only pick things I think I'd use... (characters and outfits that look like they might fit on animals)... (as opposed to buildings, vehicles, shaders or video tutorials)... (is it even possible to print a video tutorial?)... (the people at Build-A-Bear Workshop said the outfits wouldn't fit a possum and I proved them wrong, so maybe one can print a video)... 

    But anyway, your "cranky soapbox" isn't so cranky, I'm much crankier usually, and I complain about lots of stuff... its probably just a touch of rabies I got from the rabid raccoons I dress up, but if you didn't say what you said, I wouldn't have realized about the free stuff.

    Aside from that I can see were it's a slog to pick all the licenses one may want... especially if they are into 3D printing... I'm doing that ten pages at a time, only choosing what I really want and it's pretty time consuming because there seems to be a huge pause between screens... 

    I'm willing to wait to see if all works out... free is free and if it doesn't I'd understand... I'd be a bit disappointed and I suppose it's not wise to disappoint someone with rabies, but generally if something is free you can't be too disappointed if it doesn't work out... like when you see a free pork chop on a plate in the woods with an anvil or a piano hanging over it... sure, it looks suspicious, but there is a chance for it to go either way and sometimes you get the pork chop, and sometimes you get the anvil... but that's life I suppose.

    Anyway, I for one am thankful for the free licenses, I probably will get a 3D printer at some point in the near future... I think some of the sci-fi helmets and outfits could be scaled to fit a squirrel or possum, so that would be neat... 

    Well, that's all... 

    Cheers.

     

     

     

    * Build-A-Bear Workshop has a huge wardrobe of outfits available for those interested in dressing up forest animals (or stray cats and subway rats if you live in a city)... If you are interested in ending animal nudity, join me in clothing the animal kingdom... just be prepared that bears and lions are not receptive of this concept... yet... maybe eventually if we keep at it.

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  • JazzyBearJazzyBear Posts: 805
    Unfortunately for me some have been added and some have not. Not sure what to do in this case I'm worried that they considered my account processed but it certainly missing significant ones that have been added to other people's accounts.
  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,258
    edited August 2022

    we don't know the algorithm they are using and whether it is looking at each personas persons account and systematically looking for every DO at once or if its going through and looking at products and then adding them to everyone who owns it. So not every license you qualify for could be added to your account yet. We just don't know the parameters of how this is being done and if there is some kind of priority built into the equation but, we do know that they said its going to take a while do because of the amount of products and customers they have. I still don't have any yet at last look and I've made over 200 of the DO's and some have already been retired.

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    edited August 2022

    frank0314 said:

    we don't know the algorithm they are using and whether it is looking at each personas account...

    Oh... I have a lot of personas... right now I'm Teddy Roosevelt, but a few minutes ago I was Scurvy Jack Silver, the cursingest pirate on all of the Great South Bay... And I'm kinda feeling torn between Electronman or Sherlock Holmes next... I've had A LOT of caffeine today, so it's probably going to be Electroman, unless I go for coked up Sherlock Holmes (the notorious "7% solution")...

    Edit... I opted for Thaddeus Rattbagg because he's suffering from trans-dimensional jet lag and I've got too much caffeine in me to only pass for Sherlock Holmes on cocaine... that and I already had the glasses on... but I'm definitely going for Holmes by about 4pm... 

     

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,258

    McGyver said:

    frank0314 said:

    we don't know the algorithm they are using and whether it is looking at each personas account...

    Oh... I have a lot of personas... right now I'm Teddy Roosevelt, but a few minutes ago I was Scurvy Jack Silver, the cursingest pirate on all of the Great South Bay... And I'm kinda feeling torn between Electronman or Sherlock Holmes next... I've had A LOT of caffeine today, so it's probably going to be Electroman, unless I go for coked up Sherlock Holmes (the notorious "7% solution")...

    Edit... I opted for Thaddeus Rattbagg because he's suffering from trans-dimensional jet lag and I've got too much caffeine in me to only pass for Sherlock Holmes on cocaine... that and I already had the glasses on... but I'm definitely going for Holmes by about 4pm... 

    haha, I fixed it but just did a strikethrough on the mispelled one cause thats funny.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    I want to lodge a formal complaint... going through my product library I discovered that the Unflatable Pony III doesn't have a 3D printing license...

    What the hell man?...

    Next you are going to tell me I can't print The Invisible Watermelon IV or Imaginary Product 2?

    Damn.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,519

    Is the free 3D printing licenses for DO items over already?

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,868

    No. It expires on 30 September; but it is only for DO's purchased on or before 12 July.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,519

    Charlie Judge said:

    No. It expires on 30 September; but it is only for DO's purchased on or before 12 July.

    it was this https://www.daz3d.com/keiko-6-pro-bundle that wasn't showing as a free 3D printing license.  Was it free recently? 

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,868
    edited August 2022

    Sfariah said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    No. It expires on 30 September; but it is only for DO's purchased on or before 12 July.

    it was this https://www.daz3d.com/keiko-6-pro-bundle that wasn't showing as a free 3D printing license.  Was it free recently? 

    When did you last purchase it? It is only free if you bought it on or before 12 July; and then it will only show as free in your cart (not on the product page) 

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,519

    Charlie Judge said:

    Sfariah said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    No. It expires on 30 September; but it is only for DO's purchased on or before 12 July.

    it was this https://www.daz3d.com/keiko-6-pro-bundle that wasn't showing as a free 3D printing license.  Was it free recently? 

    When did you last purchase it? It is only free if you bought it on or before 12 July; and then it will only show as free in your cart (not on the product page) 

    It looks like I got the pro bundle mixed up with the manga bundle.   I got the Manga bundle in 2017 but the pro bundle after July 12.  Thank you for clearing it up. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082
    edited August 2022

    McGyver said:

    I want to lodge a formal complaint... going through my product library I discovered that the Unflatable Pony III doesn't have a 3D printing license...

    What the hell man?...

    Next you are going to tell me I can't print The Invisible Watermelon IV or Imaginary Product 2?

    Damn.

    That's because you can't 3D print an unflatable (-3D) image and it will turn the 3D printer inside out.  So, unless you live in the sixth dimension and have a 5D printer and the 5D printing liscense, you're kind of out of luck.  And I'm pretty sure I printed the other two, but I can't find the first now and might have hallucinated the second. 

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293

    Yeah! Mine have been done. Except inactive products like the old rhino & zebra from the Safari free bundle from like 13 years ago. It would be nice if a new safari animal bundle was created.

  • ImagoImago Posts: 5,246

    nonesuch00 said:

    Yeah! Mine have been done. Except inactive products like the old rhino & zebra from the Safari free bundle from like 13 years ago. It would be nice if a new safari animal bundle was created.

    How to quickly check the progression of the "activations"?

    The Go to store-only owned-artist daz orginals-scroll down isn't very effective.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943

    Charlie Judge said:

    Sfariah said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    No. It expires on 30 September; but it is only for DO's purchased on or before 12 July.

    it was this https://www.daz3d.com/keiko-6-pro-bundle that wasn't showing as a free 3D printing license.  Was it free recently? 

    When did you last purchase it? It is only free if you bought it on or before 12 July; and then it will only show as free in your cart (not on the product page) 

     

    Unfortunately I am one of those that got bitten by the "Buy the Pro bundle after 12 July, but had bought some single products before - now even those are telling me that I bought them later" bug ...

    I am hoping that the automagic adding takes those into account ...

    Still didn't see any 3dPrint licenses added by Daz in my library.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    I didn't read through all the pages of this thread, I mostly skimmed through looking for this, but I'm seeing some items, like for example the old TreadZ for V4/M4, where the V4 version has a printing license, but the M4 version doesn't... is that an oversight or does the V4 version cover the M4 version as well, which seems unlikely...?

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