3D Printing Licences - What?

daveso

how do we know a product we bought the license for has a license? If I buy 1000 licenses and then load a character, then export for print, how do I know? Does it have a red bounding box or something within daz studio? A star, or something?

butterflyfish

daveso said:

how do we know a product we bought the license for has a license? If I buy 1000 licenses and then load a character, then export for print, how do I know? Does it have a red bounding box or something within daz studio? A star, or something?

 That is what I wanted to know, too. How are we supposed to remember which products we have licenses for?

N-RArts

At the moment, purchased 3D print licenses are kept on the product library page of our accounts. But I think a new tab in our accounts would be a good way to keep track of the licenses that we own, and for which products... At least, that's what I was thinking... ^^'

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978

This would make far more sense if you could add them from the product page, and if the product page could be filtered to show only DAZ originals.

Richard Haseltine

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

This would make far more sense if you could add them from the product page, and if the product page could be filtered to show only DAZ originals.

You can - but it seems the Daz Deals plug-in is currently blocking the option from showing.

barbult

Richard Haseltine said:

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

This would make far more sense if you could add them from the product page, and if the product page could be filtered to show only DAZ originals.

You can - but it seems the Daz Deals plug-in is currently blocking the option from showing.

Blocking what option? The option to hide licences is a user configuration choice. Daz Deals only blocks the display of licenses on product pages if the USER has chosen to do so.

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978

Sorry - I meant the Product Library page, not the product page.

Josette3d

zombiewhacker said:

Well, the good news is that the free licenses offer is good until September, so DAZ has that long to get this business straightened out.

I read this as the license expires by end of September, so that we have to make our 3d prints with this license before then, and after that we need to re-purchase a new license? Anyone else read it that way? I don't think it's the license offer, but that would be nice.

butterflyfish

Josette3d said:

zombiewhacker said:

Well, the good news is that the free licenses offer is good until September, so DAZ has that long to get this business straightened out.

I read this as the license expires by end of September, so that we have to make our 3d prints with this license before then, and after that we need to re-purchase a new license? Anyone else read it that way? I don't think it's the license offer, but that would be nice.

It says the offer expires September 30, not the license.  

Lindsey

 If you have the DAZ Deals browser plugin installed that allows you to filter "Only show owned"

What I did is: 

1. https://www.daz3d.com/daz-originals to display only DAZ Originals
2. Filter only owned items by clicking on the "Only show owned" check box.

I had nothing better to do and have purchased 878 3D Print product licenses with a total value of $9,100.27.  My strategy was to concentrate on Bundles (If you buy the Bundle license, it marks all products in the bundle with 3D print license "bought"), Essential products for Genesis+2+3+8, default resources products, HD Add ons, curious, and carnival products (as it was easy to filter), Josh Crockett and Joe Quick Daz Originals. Any Platinum club bundles. I stopped and will see if DAZ comes up with an automated process to buy the 3D licenses.  I have no idea if I will ever use them, but heck, they're free so why not.

 

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

This would make far more sense if you could add them from the product page, and if the product page could be filtered to show only DAZ originals.

Cybersox

brimstoneomega said:

Usually, there isn't a quantity number for commercial 3D printing but either a timed one (as long as you pay this this month, you can sell whatever you have for that month or you can sell for x amount of time-) or an unlimited one. Which is probably the better way to go. Limited numbers per license sound terrible to me.

Not because of the costs though, at ten cents a print($2=20prints), you'll make money (that said, the full no discount price is a bit outrageous). Big company minis are sold for like $10-60 on average. So after the cost of resin, postage, licenses, etsy/ebay fees, PayPal fees, packaging, fuel costs to transport, your time/energy/electric bill... yeah, there are a lot more costs associated with a 3d print shop than initially would seem. But still, ship only on one or two days a week, buy packaging in bulk, and sell your mini for $7-10 and you'll get there, but being large volume type sellers, you'll need a lot of licenses.

I imagine the biggest market for 3D printed Daz stuff would be stuff like that; D&D players looking for character minis or Warhammer players looking for army proxies, scalled at 28mm or 32mm.

You could do big statues, but those get complicated to finish and have a lot of labor needed to look nice. Maybe one aspect could be cosplay props, actually printing out wardrobe or prop articles and making 1-1 replicas. But again, that's a lot of work. You would be selling these items for hundreds each, due to the labor involved.

What I'm saying is that to be profitable won't be that hard (won't be easy either, unless you know what you're doing), either way, but we are talking about wildly different possible use case scenarios. I personally never buy a printing license unless it's a lifetime one. Too much to keep track of. I like to print the little things. I print big stuff sometimes too, but, as I said, that's too much work to do in any volume. 

I don't know what I'm even getting at, but I'll take the free licenses and maybe sell a model or two, but this is going to get out of hand fast if you try to do any kind of volume and way too much work to keep on top of if there is such a limit of 20 per license. That's just asinine for something like this where WE will be setting up characters, hairs, outfits, poses, props- basically doing an entire scene with like 5-20 products (say your character is based off Anne for Victoria 8. That's at least 4 licenses right there; Anne, Victoria 8, Genesis 8, and a morph pack. Now dress her, kit her out, ext we're talking a lot of random licenses. Give her a different gun or hairstyle, and you're down two of your character's set of licenses, but only one on the sword or gun. 

Much easier to go to Patreon or Kickstarter and get your licenses there. Both from a workload and a bookkeeping standpoint.

That said, there is a very real draw to take the dive into this and make my two hobbies and passions cross; modeling and rendering. I would love to have a go at buying licenses and printing Daz models.

With one small caveat; 

A number limit to the licenses would be an absolute deal breaker for me, and that's coming from someone that might actually do something with these licenses.

P.S.

Sorry if that was inchoherant, was kinda train of thoughting that post.

Yes, those prices were totally thrown out there, but theyre basically based on the idea of doing small figures as promotional items that go with a larger ticket purchase or as part of an incentive package for something on Patreon or Kickstarter.  Basically one model would be printed, cleaned up, and resculpted as necessary, with the result then being broken down again and re-cast using more traditional techniques, with the final products being finished in a factory on an assembly line that specializes in things like Hot Toys. 

wsterdan

Cybersox said:

 

Yes, those prices were totally thrown out there, but theyre basically based on the idea of doing small figures as promotional items that go with a larger ticket purchase or as part of an incentive package for something on Patreon or Kickstarter.  Basically one model would be printed, cleaned up, and resculpted as necessary, with the result then being broken down again and re-cast using more traditional techniques, with the final products being finished in a factory on an assembly line that specializes in things like Hot Toys. 

I don't think that's the intent of this license; it says "commercial use by the User so long as it is produced by 3D Printing" which exclude the type of mass production you're suggesting, the end result wouldn't be "3D Printing". If I'm wrong, it would mean that major corporations could spend $100 on a handful of items and ten or twenty dollars for licenses and pump out masters for mass production instead of hiring sculptors.

"The creation of three-dimensional physical representations of the Print Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Print Content is permitted for personal as well as commercial use by the User so long as it is produced by 3D Printing."

-- Walt Sterdan

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978

Lindsey said:

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2. Filter only owned items by clicking on the "Only show owned" check box...

Ah. I don't see that option. A browser issue, maybe?

Quasar

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

Lindsey said:

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2. Filter only owned items by clicking on the "Only show owned" check box...

Ah. I don't see that option. A browser issue, maybe?

That is a feature of the DAZ Deals II browser add-on. It can get confusing because people forget what features are part of the DAZ website and what ones are from the extension.

dokcal_79e4575f30

Glad to see everyone here has the same incredulous reaction(s)  I had. I can't even figure out a way to pull up all the DAZ Originals I own in a list so that I COULD go through and click them!

--David

Richard Haseltine

dokcal_79e4575f30 said:

Glad to see everyone here has the same incredulous reaction(s)  I had. I can't even figure out a way to pull up all the DAZ Originals I own in a list so that I COULD go through and click them!

--David

and you may not need to as Daz has said it is going to look at the possibility of enabling some kind of multi-purchase this week.

daveso

well, i just started purchasing the license, and will concur doing it 1 product at a time is beyond crazy. There should just be a choice for add all 3d print license for DO products to your account. If free lasted forever, it would be simple enough to add the license when you need it, but the way its set up now you pretty much have to grab all of them if you want to save money. Hopefully DAZ can figure a way to do the bulk license purchase without hosing up the store for 2 months or something. DAZ soon isn't always very soon either, so I will continue the drudgery or perhaps they will extend the free offer

vagans

When buying these licenses for free, it seems to be adding sales tax based on the original amount, not the final amount of zero. So my cart is showing as $0.11 instead of $0.

firewarden

That'd be great! I turned in a ticket, because after manually adding licenses for a couple of hours, I haven't even made a dent. A bulk purchase option would be incredibly helpful.

 

Richard Haseltine said:

dokcal_79e4575f30 said:

Glad to see everyone here has the same incredulous reaction(s)  I had. I can't even figure out a way to pull up all the DAZ Originals I own in a list so that I COULD go through and click them!

--David

and you may not need to as Daz has said it is going to look at the possibility of enabling some kind of multi-purchase this week.

3141592654

Good day, I do not want to derail this thread, but has there been any mention, hint, or suggestion as to whether or not there will eventually be 3D printing licenses for non-daz originals?  I know that gets much more complicated legally as it invovlves other vendors, but there are certain ones (like 3D Universe) whose stuff is unique and might be good to have available if one ever gets into 3D printing.

donovancolbert

Yeah. I have 83 pages of Daz Originals. Going through item by item adding licenses seems ridiculous. DAZ needs to add an option for "all free licenses for owned content" bulk purchase. 

Otherwise it is like punishing the customers who have purchased the *most* from them. 

 

daveso

3141592654 said:

Good day, I do not want to derail this thread, but has there been any mention, hint, or suggestion as to whether or not there will eventually be 3D printing licenses for non-daz originals?  I know that gets much more complicated legally as it invovlves other vendors, but there are certain ones (like 3D Universe) whose stuff is unique and might be good to have available if one ever gets into 3D printing.

i saw some PA items with the 3D license option.it might have been in bundles though 

Cybersox

donovancolbert said:

Yeah. I have 83 pages of Daz Originals. Going through item by item adding licenses seems ridiculous. DAZ needs to add an option for "all free licenses for owned content" bulk purchase. 

Otherwise it is like punishing the customers who have purchased the *most* from them. 

 

Punishing their better customers is kind of a DAZ thing. :/  But hey... I'm not sure how you're calculating 83 pages, but if that's by 60 item store pages with the "only show owned" box checked, I've got 286 pages, so at least you can know that your pain is more than shared... 

Robert Freise

Cybersox said:

donovancolbert said:

Yeah. I have 83 pages of Daz Originals. Going through item by item adding licenses seems ridiculous. DAZ needs to add an option for "all free licenses for owned content" bulk purchase. 

Otherwise it is like punishing the customers who have purchased the *most* from them. 

 

Punishing their better customers is kind of a DAZ thing. :/  But hey... I'm not sure how you're calculating 83 pages, but if that's by 60 item store pages with the "only show owned" box checked, I've got 286 pages, so at least you can know that your pain is more than shared... 

Ouch I thought mine was bad at 240 pages 

Farscaper

So I ended up first doing a filter for bundles and getting licenses for them.  Then I looked my purchase page to find anything over $20, looked at the order items to see if I missed anything. It was mostly bundles that I'd covered already. I feel good saving hundreds even though I know I will never 3d print a single item.

I suspect it will cost Daz more in bandwidth with everyone scrambling to do what I did than just adding them to our accounts. What do I know though? I buy stuff I never use and double down by wasting time on it. It was fun going down memory lane though.

firewarden

126 pages @ 60 each. Bad enough... Wouldn't want twice that to be sorting through.

Lindsey

 As mentioned in my original message:  If you have the DAZ Deals browser plugin installed that allows you to filter "Only show owned"

You can get the DAZ Deals browser plugin here:  https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/106296/announcing-daz-deals-browser-add-on/p1

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

Lindsey said:

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2. Filter only owned items by clicking on the "Only show owned" check box...

Ah. I don't see that option. A browser issue, maybe?

Robert Freise

Lindsey said:

 As mentioned in my original message:  If you have the DAZ Deals browser plugin installed that allows you to filter "Only show owned"

You can get the DAZ Deals browser plugin here:  https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/106296/announcing-daz-deals-browser-add-on/p1

dentedbluemercedes_934cc6a978 said:

Lindsey said:

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2. Filter only owned items by clicking on the "Only show owned" check box...

Ah. I don't see that option. A browser issue, maybe?

And it's well worth having 

Richard Haseltine

The page referring to a twenty item limit seems to be old and has been removed - the EULA is correct in not givng a limit to the number of items that can be printed.

Richard Haseltine

Cybersox said:

donovancolbert said:

Yeah. I have 83 pages of Daz Originals. Going through item by item adding licenses seems ridiculous. DAZ needs to add an option for "all free licenses for owned content" bulk purchase. 

Otherwise it is like punishing the customers who have purchased the *most* from them. 

 

Punishing their better customers is kind of a DAZ thing. :/  But hey... I'm not sure how you're calculating 83 pages, but if that's by 60 item store pages with the "only show owned" box checked, I've got 286 pages, so at least you can know that your pain is more than shared... 

it's not as if I've posted several times that Daz agrees this is a good point and is going to look at ways to bulk order this week.