How are you greeting the end of the world?

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Ivy said:

    Something that was relayed to me today . People that still need basic supplies might try looking in places like walgreens and rite aid  other drug stores. I was told by one of our preepper friends this afternoon  that they have bread and milk and other simple food items  they were in a walgreens and they were full stocked with the those basic items tha its why I am writing this to advise people should check those stores as well. in these times try to think outside the box.  you may pay more but chances are those drug stores have not been cleaned out because people are avoiding them for fear of being around sick people getting their prescriptions.. Just some friendly advice that was relayed to me today through the our network.

    Stay safe

    Rite Aid is a HUGE store with just the pharmacy in back and was actually the first store to run out of hand sanitizer in both stores near me. And many supermarkets like Ralph's also have a pharmacy so it doesn't really make a difference. And since there is no prescription for Coronavirus anyway, people are just getting their regular medications there... What I'm the most scared of is the checkout line and the Trader Joe's I go to has an elevator.

    Also the virus stays on objects for 24 hours to 3 days. So don't use purchases right away or wash everything really well, including the packages, cans, etc... The virus lasts 24 hours on cardboard so don't touch any packaged products for that long if you can't wash it,

    ...If did that I'd starve as I have to shop every couple days since I can only carry a single grocery bag in my good hand as well as what I can put in my shoulder bag (usually the heavy items like milk, juice, and food in tins).

    Also kind of hard to wash food or other items that is packed in pasteboard boxes. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Chohole said:

    someone beat him to it   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51927519

     

    PS   I always knew there was a reason I prefer Scotch to Gin


     

    ...

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Fishtales said:

    I can see a lot of stills starting up in peoples kitchens producing there own alcohol hand sanitizer cool

    ...winkyes

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    edited March 2020
    Ivy said:

    I played a few rounds of cribbage last night with hubby it was a nice distraction for a change to play some cards together without the TV blasting out all the bad news like it has been. it gave us a chance to quietly talk and remissness about better days and talk about what we should expect for the future. we seem to have taught our daughter well she holding out in the high desert of California and told us she ina good place .  We know what we are up against with this virus. we know what we need to do to stay safe. so there no sense listening to the media keep drumming the same beat. 

     

    Chohole said:
    Ivy said:
    Chohole said:

    vinegar should work too

    Vinegar (which is acetic acid), lemon juice or citric acid.  Vinegar is slightly more effective but doesn't smell so nice.   Strangely enough they keep stressing that good old fashioned soap and water is actually the best thing to get rid of the viruses from your hands, so presumably would be the same for surface, like the good old days,  wash the house down with carbolic soap.

    And leave things to air dry, as anything, even bleach, need leaving in situ long enough to work.  Wiping on and wiping off does no good at all. That's why the length of time to wash your hands,  It's not magic or instantaneous.

    BTW don't make the mistake of mixing bleach with acid.  either bleach  or the acdic stuff like vinegar.  Chlorine bleach is alkaline and will just react with the acid with sometimes fairly spectacular results  but less actual sterilising effect.

    Be careful that you don;t mix bleach and Ammonia together either that makes chorine gas  which is deadly and much worst than the virus

    I will correct you there    Chlorine Bleach and Hydochloric acid mixed make chlorine gas   mixing bleach and ammonia makes chloramine vapor, which is still toxic  but not as deadly as chlorine gas.

    Sounds like they pretty much cause the same thing though.  information from 

    https://health.utah.gov/enviroepi/activities/NTSIP/Common%20Cleaning%20Products%20Can%20Be%20Dangerous%20When%20Mixed.pdf

    ...same with emails I now that the primaries  are beign put on hod until mayor June the flood has shifted from begging for donations to the same suggestions on how to handle the virus reiterated ad nausea and what government is or isn't doing.  Set up a filter to isolate them for me to scan though for any new breaking information and delete the rest.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Mystiarra said:

    irish whiskey heart

    ...currently taking a dose myself.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    My colleague's brother was, until last weekend, a delivery driver for ASDA (UK Walmart). On Sunday he delivered £230 of cleaning products to a customer. When he asked how long the lot would last them, they said ,'Not long, we're just going to sell it all on for a big profit'. My colleague's brother returned the delivery to the van and drove off. He was sacked on his return to the shop, but he still feels he was right. So do I.

    ...it's a sad testament to society when doing the right thing gets you into trouble. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    McGyver said:

    RE price gouging douchecanoes...if you happen to see any on Amazon, you should be able to report it. To my knowledge, Amazon is putting a stop to it as soon as it's noticed. 

    There was an article about some of these characters... they don't think of themselves as bad guys... they see their price gouging merely as "redistributing the flow of goods to those who can't easily get them"... 

    Uh huh... sure.

    $70 for a $1 bottle of hand sanitizer is a noble cause... you tell that to the guy in the red pajamas with the big fork when you get down there... see what he says... I hear he has a great sense of humor.

     

    ...yes

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    McGyver said:

    RE price gouging douchecanoes...if you happen to see any on Amazon, you should be able to report it. To my knowledge, Amazon is putting a stop to it as soon as it's noticed. 

    There was an article about some of these characters... they don't think of themselves as bad guys... they see their price gouging merely as "redistributing the flow of goods to those who can't easily get them"... 

    Uh huh... sure.

    $70 for a $1 bottle of hand sanitizer is a noble cause... you tell that to the guy in the red pajamas with the big fork when you get down there... see what he says... I hear he has a great sense of humor.

     

    ...yes

    We've been noticing that the healthier products, such as wheat and whole grains, brown rice, etc are the things that are being left behind here. Not sure what that says, lol. More for me. 

    ...if they are branded as Natural or Organic, they usually are more expensive.  Been running into that which is tough on a tight budget.  Was trying to find super lean ground beef for my pasta sauce (Safeway is supposed to have it on sale for 2.99$/# this week but their butcher counter has been closed for four days now) and all both markets I went to today had were the boutique natural brands which are 8 - 9$ a pound. What irks me is both markets offer an extra discount but only if you buy 4, 5, or more of an item which just encourages hoarding.

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562
    edited March 2020
    kyoto kid said:

    My colleague's brother was, until last weekend, a delivery driver for ASDA (UK Walmart). On Sunday he delivered £230 of cleaning products to a customer. When he asked how long the lot would last them, they said ,'Not long, we're just going to sell it all on for a big profit'. My colleague's brother returned the delivery to the van and drove off. He was sacked on his return to the shop, but he still feels he was right. So do I.

    ...it's a sad testament to society when doing the right thing gets you into trouble. 

    I support him but his action broke the valid commitment of someone else's business.

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  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,162

     

    Galaxy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    My colleague's brother was, until last weekend, a delivery driver for ASDA (UK Walmart). On Sunday he delivered £230 of cleaning products to a customer. When he asked how long the lot would last them, they said ,'Not long, we're just going to sell it all on for a big profit'. My colleague's brother returned the delivery to the van and drove off. He was sacked on his return to the shop, but he still feels he was right. So do I.

    ...it's a sad testament to society when doing the right thing gets you into trouble. 

    I support him but his action broke the valid commitment of someone else's business.

    No, it is called the Black Market and is then profiteering, nothing to do with business. A shop not far from me was selling £1.50 bottles of hand sanitizer using large bottles to refill them at £15, the Trading Standards Officers shut him down.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,317

    The local Target has the first two hours on Wednesdays for seniors. So 7 - 9am. Although I am up and about, not an issue, and I have gone over to the store on other days. Amazing the number of people now at the store who are young at that time. But, as I walked by a bin yesterday, I saw two full ones of hand sanitizer, one with aloe and one without. I had bought a new one last week, so didn't get any more. I can't bring any aloe products into the apartment as my flatmate is severly allergic to it.

    Re: exercise outside, okay so far, so long as you are alone or in a family group. But not a mob of folks playing frisbee, basketball, or whatever. And of course the skiing industry is shut down also since last week.

    My apartment has fully shutdown the pool, hot tub, exercise room, and even the office staff is now working from home. Maintenance is focused on emergency workorders and keeping the common areas clean to CDC standards. Dog stations are also kept up. And yesterday, shoveling snow, ice, and boulders of ice dumped back on the clean sidewalks by the street snow removal trucks. They are great.

    I think I am lucky. Within walking distance, there is Target, a King Soopers, Whole Foods, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond. But the small and chain restaurants are closed, some able to do take-out, but... So many may not make it. And the employees. 

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979

     

    Greymom said:

    Wandering through the local big-chain grocery store in search of flour and yeast to do some baking (the local grocer was plumb out), I managed to find what I needed.  Many of the shelves were stripped clean. 

    If you run short of yeast a small amount will multiply fast in a solution of water, flour and/or (preferably unrefined) sugar.  You don't need much really for baking either, a lump at the size of a pea is enough for a bread if you just let it raise for a longer time.  Slow rising also gives a richer taste. 

    Both fresh and dried yeast lasts a lot longer in the freezer, if you do it the right way:

    https://www.canyoufreezethis.com/can-freeze-fresh-yeast/

    You can use sourdough instead of yeast, easy to make yourself if you just have flour and water.  The acid in bread made with sourdough (leavened bread) makes it more resistant to mold and rope so it keeps longer, it also makes the bread more firm and less crumbly.

    https://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-make-sourdough-bread-224367

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121

    This is really getting extreme.   I was finally able to get some flour and the last jar of yeast at a local store.  The immense aisle where they normally sell paper towel and TP did not even have dust on the shelves.  I went around the corner to my local sports outfitter store to get a box of shotgun shells (the ranges are open, and I thought I could take my sons there and let them do some practice shooting for something to do).  Found what I needed, and noticed a guy at the counter with a 2-level cart stacked with boxes of ammunition.  He had also stacked all of the plastic ammo boxes of the larger size on the counter.  By the time I shuffled my way to the counter, he was gone, out in the parking lot loading the stuff into the van.  I figure he bought upwards of $2,000 worth of ammo. 

    I asked if there were now reports of zombies associated with the Coronavirus.  The store folks chuckled and said "nope, no zombies".  I try to find some humor where I can.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,317

    Well, I won't have to worry about Covid-19 killing me, I am doing a great job of doing it to myself. Was going to go to the store to see if they had the Kinsa thermometer and accidentally triggered my back hatch on the van. Tried to close it, stuck on ice. Turned, and my feet went out from underneath me and ski hat flew off my head, and I went down hard on the ground, with the back of my head smacking the asphalt. Lower back and head hurts. But, got the Kinsa! 

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121
    Taoz said:

     

    Greymom said:

    Wandering through the local big-chain grocery store in search of flour and yeast to do some baking (the local grocer was plumb out), I managed to find what I needed.  Many of the shelves were stripped clean. 

    If you run short of yeast a small amount will multiply fast in a solution of water, flour and/or (preferably unrefined) sugar.  You don't need much really for baking either, a lump at the size of a pea is enough for a bread if you just let it raise for a longer time.  Slow rising also gives a richer taste. 

    Both fresh and dried yeast lasts a lot longer in the freezer, if you do it the right way:

    https://www.canyoufreezethis.com/can-freeze-fresh-yeast/

    You can use sourdough instead of yeast, easy to make yourself if you just have flour and water.  The acid in bread made with sourdough (leavened bread) makes it more resistant to mold and rope so it keeps longer, it also makes the bread more firm and less crumbly.

    https://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-make-sourdough-bread-224367

    Thanks, some good tips there.  I am prepared to do all these things if needed.  I have never made sourdough bread, but my mom showed me the process a long time ago.

    I found it amusing that the local big-box market had no packaged sliced bread, and little store-made regular bread, but (as a local sherrif's officier pointed out, laughing) a large supply of gluten-free bread and rolls.  People were looking at the bread, noting the "gluten-free" label, and putting it back.  He wondered if people did not know that you could still eat gluten-free bread even if you were not gluten-intolerant.  I guess it is good that they are leaving for the folks who need it.

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121

    Well, I won't have to worry about Covid-19 killing me, I am doing a great job of doing it to myself. Was going to go to the store to see if they had the Kinsa thermometer and accidentally triggered my back hatch on the van. Tried to close it, stuck on ice. Turned, and my feet went out from underneath me and ski hat flew off my head, and I went down hard on the ground, with the back of my head smacking the asphalt. Lower back and head hurts. But, got the Kinsa! 

    Wow!  You are lucky that you did not get a concussion!

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,317

    I am monitoring for now. Took over the counter stuff for the headache and backache (my lower spine, which is kind of crooked, is not happy) for now. I think one pupil is slightly enlarged. But I am not throwing up. I have had a 'minor' concussion before, and so far this is not that bad. 

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited March 2020
    Greymom said:

    This is really getting extreme.   I was finally able to get some flour and the last jar of yeast at a local store.  The immense aisle where they normally sell paper towel and TP did not even have dust on the shelves.  I went around the corner to my local sports outfitter store to get a box of shotgun shells (the ranges are open, and I thought I could take my sons there and let them do some practice shooting for something to do).  Found what I needed, and noticed a guy at the counter with a 2-level cart stacked with boxes of ammunition.  He had also stacked all of the plastic ammo boxes of the larger size on the counter.  By the time I shuffled my way to the counter, he was gone, out in the parking lot loading the stuff into the van.  I figure he bought upwards of $2,000 worth of ammo. 

    I asked if there were now reports of zombies associated with the Coronavirus.  The store folks chuckled and said "nope, no zombies".  I try to find some humor where I can.

    Extreme, yes...but this is a time when I do kinda wish I had a gun at least to have in the house. If things get locked down the way they could, I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing about breakins. We've already gotten local notification of people going door to door claiming they have in-home COVID-19 tests and to NOT fall for it and let them in. We've been hearing way more sirens of late, and there were two police cruisers sitting a few houses down last night at like 1:30AM...so yeah...things are definitely abnormal. Extra security would be nice. As it stands, I have a husband with a bad back and a 80lb Olde English Bulldogge for security.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,225

    We've already gotten local notification of people going door to door claiming they have in-home COVID-19 tests and to NOT fall for it and let them in. 

     

    Makes me very sad.  Hope you and everyone else are able to get through this without mishap.  I admit I have ranted some to my friends, but have spent most of my time watching pleasant distractions, like epic dance battles of history.  Here is one.  Enjoy.

     

     

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,565

    Order pizza and notice that pizza delivery guy wears gloves!

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,121
    edited March 2020

    Extreme, yes...but this is a time when I do kinda wish I had a gun at least to have in the house. If things get locked down the way they could, I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing about breakins. We've already gotten local notification of people going door to door claiming they have in-home COVID-19 tests and to NOT fall for it and let them in. We've been hearing way more sirens of late, and there were two police cruisers sitting a few houses down last night at like 1:30AM...so yeah...things are definitely abnormal. Extra security would be nice. As it stands, I have a husband with a bad back and a 80lb Olde English Bulldogge for security.

    Here in South Louisiana, in spite of a relatively high level of gun ownership, and general awareness (from hurricanes and floods) of the limits of our infrastructure, there has been an unprecedented surge in first-time gun sales, basically for the same logical reason you describe - the possible need to be our own first line of defense.  The difference here from past crises is that what we are facing now is outside anyone's experience.

    My issue with the guy in the outfitter store was that he was panic buying, and left no 9mm ammunition (popular for both pistols and rifles) for anyone else who needed some.

    Most folks here already had what they needed, or stocked up gradually to help avoid shortages.  Like someone I know said: "As long as no more than 500 zombies show up at my house, I am ok!"

    We have also been warned about people on the phone, or showing up at your door, claiming to have Covid-19 test kits.

    This too shall pass.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Galaxy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    My colleague's brother was, until last weekend, a delivery driver for ASDA (UK Walmart). On Sunday he delivered £230 of cleaning products to a customer. When he asked how long the lot would last them, they said ,'Not long, we're just going to sell it all on for a big profit'. My colleague's brother returned the delivery to the van and drove off. He was sacked on his return to the shop, but he still feels he was right. So do I.

    ...it's a sad testament to society when doing the right thing gets you into trouble. 

    I support him but his action broke the valid commitment of someone else's business.

    ....in a time of national crisis that affects everyone, slack should be given. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260
    Fishtales said:

     

    Galaxy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    My colleague's brother was, until last weekend, a delivery driver for ASDA (UK Walmart). On Sunday he delivered £230 of cleaning products to a customer. When he asked how long the lot would last them, they said ,'Not long, we're just going to sell it all on for a big profit'. My colleague's brother returned the delivery to the van and drove off. He was sacked on his return to the shop, but he still feels he was right. So do I.

    ...it's a sad testament to society when doing the right thing gets you into trouble. 

    I support him but his action broke the valid commitment of someone else's business.

    No, it is called the Black Market and is then profiteering, nothing to do with business. A shop not far from me was selling £1.50 bottles of hand sanitizer using large bottles to refill them at £15, the Trading Standards Officers shut him down.

    ...yes

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,565

    With help, the whole pizza is gone.  Well almost.  There is one piece left but one person has not had her piece of pizza.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    The local Target has the first two hours on Wednesdays for seniors. So 7 - 9am. Although I am up and about, not an issue, and I have gone over to the store on other days. Amazing the number of people now at the store who are young at that time. But, as I walked by a bin yesterday, I saw two full ones of hand sanitizer, one with aloe and one without. I had bought a new one last week, so didn't get any more. I can't bring any aloe products into the apartment as my flatmate is severly allergic to it.

    Re: exercise outside, okay so far, so long as you are alone or in a family group. But not a mob of folks playing frisbee, basketball, or whatever. And of course the skiing industry is shut down also since last week.

    My apartment has fully shutdown the pool, hot tub, exercise room, and even the office staff is now working from home. Maintenance is focused on emergency workorders and keeping the common areas clean to CDC standards. Dog stations are also kept up. And yesterday, shoveling snow, ice, and boulders of ice dumped back on the clean sidewalks by the street snow removal trucks. They are great.

    I think I am lucky. Within walking distance, there is Target, a King Soopers, Whole Foods, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond. But the small and chain restaurants are closed, some able to do take-out, but... So many may not make it. And the employees. 

     

    ....pretty much the same here (save for the snow and ice as it's been in the mid to upper 60s) . Fortunately the laundry room is still open.  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    Order pizza and notice that pizza delivery guy wears gloves!

    ...several of the pizza places where i live are waiving the delivery fee.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Most places here are doing free delivery, however we're kind of leery at this point of having food prepared by someone else. The delivery guy may be wearing gloves, but you have no idea what the person making your food was doing. Might as well go to a buffet and lick the sneeze guard. It'll be home cooking for us for the forseeable future...which will be better for my waistline anyways, lol. 

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited March 2020

    Governor of NY just stated that due to large number of tests being done (more than twice the number of California), NY State has 10,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and they gave a breakdown map by county.  None in mine (Chautauqua) or my neighboring eastward county (Cattaraugus) yet, but there are some north of us in the Buffalo area (Erie county).  Don't know yet of the status of the State of Pennsylvania, west and south of us.

    I noticed that the one restaurant in my town has put up a big banner advertising "Take Outs".  Don't know if they'll deliver.  I only make that trip to the center of town (3 blocks) once during a day only about twice a week.  It takes that long for my feet, knees, hips, and back to recover.  And the restaurant is (or has been traditionally) open only on Friday and Saturday nights.

    Our little town grocery store is doing bang up business, TP is back on the shelves but no proper bread yet.  I did pick up a single loaf of some type of whole wheat bread but it came frozen and was still hard as a brick when I got home.  Later it got softer after it thawed but not the soft, thickly sliced, sweet, yummy, dark whole wheat that I like so much.  And if that bread came frozen from the bakery, how long has it been frozen?  Certainly ain't fresh.

     

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited March 2020
    Greymom said:

    Extreme, yes...but this is a time when I do kinda wish I had a gun at least to have in the house. If things get locked down the way they could, I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing about breakins. We've already gotten local notification of people going door to door claiming they have in-home COVID-19 tests and to NOT fall for it and let them in. We've been hearing way more sirens of late, and there were two police cruisers sitting a few houses down last night at like 1:30AM...so yeah...things are definitely abnormal. Extra security would be nice. As it stands, I have a husband with a bad back and a 80lb Olde English Bulldogge for security.

    Here in South Louisiana, in spite of a relatively high level of gun ownership, and general awareness (from hurricanes and floods) of the limits of our infrastructure, there has been an unprecedented surge in first-time gun sales, basically for the same logical reason you describe - the possible need to be our own first line of defense.  The difference here from past crises is that what we are facing now is outside anyone's experience.

    My issue with the guy in the outfitter store was that he was panic buying, and left no 9mm ammunition (popular for both pistols and rifles) for anyone else who needed some.

    Most folks here already had what they needed, or stocked up gradually to help avoid shortages.  Like someone I know said: "As long as no more than 500 zombies show up at my house, I am ok!"

    We have also been warned about people on the phone, or showing up at your door, claiming to have Covid-19 test kits.

    This too shall pass.

    We are very rural here in the TN mountains and owning at least a shot gun for varmints is a must. we shoot 22's just for the fun of it.  we have a locked closet that we store all the ammo in  and there is lots of it.   But we been prepping for years. buy it on sale or during specials offers.  we have lots of different type of guns. each of them have a different use. They are just tools .   I have had my conceal carry permit for 11 years now and carry a s&w.380  regularly like people do a wallet..   but since this virus out break I swapped it out the gun safe for the Rugar SR9mm because it hold 17 shots compared to the 6 shots of the .380 , the 380 is light to carry around and it does not imprint under tight clothes like the SR9 pistol does so no one ever knows i have it. the SR9mm .is something the police would carry for their job..   It not that I believe I will ever need it to use it. chances are 99% that i never will.. But its for the 1% event that if something unexpected does happen when I am in a venerable place like a shopping center. or a parking lot I'll have a means to protect myself in those 20 minutes or so when the police are trying to get to the scene . We train regularly too so I'm pretty confident with it.

    the lack of training a new gun buyer would get in a  time of crises would properly do them more harm than good.  like I said Guns are just tools like a Hammer or a screw driver. But its a tool design for self defense and like using any tool you buy it takes some training or practice to learn to use it properly. 

     

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,865

    OK, it's not crossed the line yet but please back off the gun discussion - and the rights and wrongs of the delivery driver too.

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