Mars madness?

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,532

    Cybersox said:

    Wonderland said:

    It’s like ending a long relationship when you realize the relationship is toxic but for some reason you just don’t leave. I think I’m ready to break up. There are other fish in the digital content sea. 

    Wow.  That's absolutely perfectly said and sums up how I've been feeling as well.  

    I feel like a cheater

    I have affairs with many softwares and 3D assets but DAZ studio is actually my side piece

    Carrara my main

    no not a cheater

    I guess I am just promiscuous cheeky 

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,275

    My favorite deal today :-)

    https://www.daz3d.com/cottage-props

     

    That was awesome!!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,532

    tempted but I have been burnt by his incredibly high poly props before

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,275

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    tempted but I have been burnt by his incredibly high poly props before

    I only got a 750ti  with 2gb vram, 16gb ram and an old i7 so you definately got a point there, but in worst case i will render in canvases or layers with some postwork, this was just too tempting, lol. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,532

    mding said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    tempted but I have been burnt by his incredibly high poly props before

    I only got a 750ti  with 2gb vram, 16gb ram and an old i7 so you definately got a point there, but in worst case i will render in canvases or layers with some postwork, this was just too tempting, lol. 

    I have the Crones house and the only way I could render it  with my 980ti was to use scene optimiser, it has huge textures and is very highpoly

    I cannot justify buying the Alchemy addon or the other bits knowing that, even at 70% off, I did originally get the Crone's house in Fastgrab though at least too. 

    Strangefate and Rougey's sets render easily in comparision and they are highpoly just to give an example

  • mdingmding Posts: 1,275

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    mding said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    tempted but I have been burnt by his incredibly high poly props before

    I only got a 750ti  with 2gb vram, 16gb ram and an old i7 so you definately got a point there, but in worst case i will render in canvases or layers with some postwork, this was just too tempting, lol. 

    I have the Crones house and the only way I could render it  with my 980ti was to use scene optimiser, it has huge textures and is very highpoly

    I cannot justify buying the Alchemy addon or the other bits knowing that, even at 70% off, I did originally get the Crone's house in Fastgrab though at least too. 

    Strangefate and Rougey's sets render easily in comparision and they are highpoly just to give an example

    Wishlisted, thankyou! 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,532

    I might start posing for selfies with the Ahegao face 

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited March 2022

    Soooo, Daz+ annual membership sale for 10% off.  20% off if you buy four qualifying items along with the membership.

    Seriously?!

    50% off memberships wasn't that long ago (2h2021) and as I and others have mentioned before, for those of us that have been shopping here for a while, it's a bit harder to find stuff to use the the two monthly Daz+ coupons every month, as we have most of what we need.  I'm at the point that stuff I buy is stuff that I kind of want/might use eventually, if the deal is good, and am long past needing anything.

    Again, being a longtime customer here seems to count for almost nothing.  About the only thing that it's helping with at all now is key items in the MM sale, as you may have bought a key item in a past sale, but this is pretty miss occasional hit for me atm, as many of the key items have been expensive bundles I didn't need.

    Orange banners have been a joke lately.  Mostly they are just parroting the info on the sales page, nothing particularly special.

    So in short, I'm not expecting to do much shopping here from now on, anytime soon in the near future, unless there's a better deal on memberships.  The other site has memberships for half the price Daz charges, and we get more 'cash back' credit points over there, along with that 20% off monthly coupon, which doesn't work on everything, but when you are 'consolidating' your purchases it can add up.  And montly freebies of course, they are also not overly impressive, but have been a bit more useful than all of the plants we've been getting here lately.  A few plants is nice, and freebies is better than no freebies, but at some point you end up with more plants than you really have use for, as similar plants are also often included in other architectural/set piece products.

    So, unless you have a botany fetish, yeah the Daz+ freebies have been underwhelming, and as mentioned I've been using Daz+ coupons on random 'well, I wouldn't mind having maybe' stuff when the coupons aren't locked out from sales (coupon blocking, etc.).

    Longtime customers have been used to getting 50% off annual memberships for years now when they go on sale, which some of us may consider as a nod to being loyal customers and such, but 20% off with 4 prereq items is a slap in the face by comparison.  Sure, there's always full price too, but I'm guessing most people here haven't paid full price for their PC+ renewals for years, if they ever did.

    So, for me, bye Daz+ deals, and 30% off DOs.  It was nice knowing you... and once my store credit runs out, well I'm probably done here, unless something changes for the better (i.e. better deals) on Daz+ memberships in the future.  I'm sure a lot of new customers will take up the slack, I'm just not important in the grand scheme of things apparently.

    BTW, for reference, I've spent over 15k on Daz stuff from the Daz3D.com store up to this point.  Others have spent a lot more, but that's not chump change!  My wishlist is still huge, but at this point it's wishful thinking on my part, not anything I really need, just stuff I'd grab if the price was right, which it hasn't been lately.

     

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  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    I would say Mad March is in full swing now.

    I picked up Stephanie 8 and containment zone for $2.99 each - Containment zone is a bargain. I've never seen it so low. Also a casual look at my wishlist reveals today is "drop poses to a minumum day" which occurs once or twice a month. I have no outstanding pose sets left on my wishlist. They were genesis 8 sets for $1.60 each.

    I believe we've graduated from bad march / sad march to glad march, my bank balance is telling me to slow down again. :)

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,590

    mding said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    tempted but I have been burnt by his incredibly high poly props before

    I only got a 750ti  with 2gb vram, 16gb ram and an old i7 so you definately got a point there, but in worst case i will render in canvases or layers with some postwork, this was just too tempting, lol. 

    Your system sounds a lot like mine.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,590

    After watching news this morning, I don't feel much like buying anything sad

  • cherpenbeckcherpenbeck Posts: 1,413

    Between NFTs, underwhelming mach madness sales and a totally unreliable store behavior I will definitely not renew my DAZ+ membership. Which will have the added bonus of making me think much more if I really need a new item. (Hint: most of the time I do not need anything, my items library is already overstuffed)

  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    Is it me or are there a lack of Flash sales in this Mad March sale? I live in the UK so miss a number of flash sales anyway, but I'm not seeing them.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    tj_1ca9500b said:

    Soooo, Daz+ annual membership sale for 10% off.  20% off if you buy four qualifying items along with the membership.

    Seriously?!

    50% off memberships wasn't that long ago (2h2021) and as I and others have mentioned before, for those of us that have been shopping here for a while, it's a bit harder to find stuff to use the the two monthly Daz+ coupons every month, as we have most of what we need.  I'm at the point that stuff I buy is stuff that I kind of want/might use eventually, if the deal is good, and am long past needing anything.

    For me this offer is highly funny, as I extended my membership to March 2023 in October 2021 already, but nonetheless got an automatic (!) extension - at full price (!) - to 2024 on March 1st... and on the same day - March 1st - received an offer to extend my membership for only $ 49.- (so 30% off), which - of course - ignored.

    Helpdesk could be of any help it seems and that's reason enough for me to be quite opposed to the idea of any extension of my DAZ+ mambership any further..

  • AndrewJJPAndrewJJP Posts: 720
    edited March 2022

    tj_1ca9500b said:

    Soooo, Daz+ annual membership sale for 10% off.  20% off if you buy four qualifying items along with the membership.

    Seriously?!

    50% off memberships wasn't that long ago (2h2021) and as I and others have mentioned before, for those of us that have been shopping here for a while, it's a bit harder to find stuff to use the the two monthly Daz+ coupons every month, as we have most of what we need.  I'm at the point that stuff I buy is stuff that I kind of want/might use eventually, if the deal is good, and am long past needing anything.

    More feedback for Daz...

    If someone wants the 20% discount on Daz+ membership, they have to buy four items, and not just any old items, oh no. They have to pick from a selection of just 23, random, unrelated things, of which only 13 are Genesis 8.x items. Why can't today's new releases count? I'm speculating, and not presenting this as fact, because I have no idea, but I'm wondering if you want the offer to be effectively unobtainable. Or maybe nobody really thought about it? Or maybe you meant to include at least today's new releases?

    But never mind, because it's not a good offer. It's historically been an unconditional 50% off. 40%, and I'd be renewing today to extend for another year. I might even do it with some sensible, obtainable conditions attached. But this isn't for me, and probably not for many people that have something called a "memory"!

    I'm probably not saying anything that's not already known, I expect there is a reason for it...

    I feel sad because this might be the first time I've not extended my Daz+ when there's been an offer on sad But then again, the way things have gone downhill so, so rapidly, maybe it doesn't matter.

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  • The Madness Grab Bag is quite nice the last days. If I would be a Newbie I would not have any issue finding 10+ items per day. As a veteran it is not that easy with only 35 of 96 items to pick from. Hope we will have another catch-up for the same pricing soon.

    And what is with the Bonus Mad and key item. I owned both Bonus Mad and the key item for the whole MM with the exception of one day where I did not own both. So is the deal any good if one owns only the Key item?

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    Rod Wise Driggo said:

    The Madness Grab Bag is quite nice the last days. If I would be a Newbie I would not have any issue finding 10+ items per day. As a veteran it is not that easy with only 35 of 96 items to pick from. Hope we will have another catch-up for the same pricing soon.

    Hey, at least you can GET to 10 items. crying  Yesterday I only had 8 options and it's not uncommon to open one of these special promo categories to see either a blank page or nothing except poser light sets, texture sets for v4 clothing, and add-ons for fuzzy animals and characters like Cookie.  That said, I will admit that I'm not really sure how all the other  "Bonus Mad", "Extra Mad", "Mad As Hell And Not Going To Take it Anymore", and so on sub promo categories have fared during this March Modelers Against Decent Discounts-ness promotion since I never even bothered opening the majority of those earlier "deals" due to them being so laughably poor (and that's not me laughing, BTW, it's the folks at Rendo who've been dropping 50-70% off on multiple artists' full stores left and right all month long and scooping up the cash I haven't spent here.)   

     

  • NotAnArtistNotAnArtist Posts: 390

    I guess a Daz+ member no longer receives an extra 30% off DO items when they're on sale(?)
    The March Grab Bag $3.99 sale is sticking at $3.99 for DO items.

    The Daz+ membership might be still worth it, but since I don't really need more props, it's more of a gamble now to spend the membership fee, even at a discount.
    It sort of feels like another good friend is passing on. Creating scenes with new props was fun, even if I couldn't render them in Iray.

    Sorry about the moaning. I was just curious about the pricing:-/

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,877

    NotAnArtist said:

    I guess a Daz+ member no longer receives an extra 30% off DO items when they're on sale(?)
    The March Grab Bag $3.99 sale is sticking at $3.99 for DO items.

    The Daz+ membership might be still worth it, but since I don't really need more props, it's more of a gamble now to spend the membership fee, even at a discount.
    It sort of feels like another good friend is passing on. Creating scenes with new props was fun, even if I couldn't render them in Iray.

    Sorry about the moaning. I was just curious about the pricing:-/

    In general they still get the extra 30% off even on sale DO items. Howver, it is not available in some fixed low priced sales such as Grab Bag because the items are already so heavily discounted

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,616

    So yesterday I spent a ton on the $2.99 items and got a gift card with two outfits from the bundle I liked. There were even a few $2,99 items I liked but was on the fence about and didn’t get, thinking there would be a bunch more today I liked better. Today I can’t find 10 but that’s fine. I spent enough yesterday. It seems like it must be a new marketing team that’s learning from its mistakes or being told from higher up to do things they know are wrong. 

    Same. I spent a few dollars, but Daz would have seriously cleaned up today if this Was PCFAD ($1.99) pricing.

    I would have picked up a ton of stuff. I didn't have immediate use for any of it, but some would be nice for the library as scene filler.

    Daz is the master of leaving money on the table.
  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,616
    Cybersox said:

    Wonderland said:

    It’s like ending a long relationship when you realize the relationship is toxic but for some reason you just don’t leave. I think I’m ready to break up. There are other fish in the digital content sea. 

    Wow.  That's absolutely perfectly said and sums up how I've been feeling as well.  

    These TWO Quotes are why I've been sounding the alarm.

    When people, especially long time clients, start thinking about their spending habits and/or entertaining alternatives, you have a SERIOUS problem.
  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,616

    Soooo, Daz+ annual membership sale for 10% off.  20% off if you buy four qualifying items along with the membership.

    Seriously?!

    50% off memberships wasn't that long ago (2h2021) blocking, etc.).

    Longtime customers have been used to getting 50% off annual memberships for years now when they go on sale, which some of us may consider as a nod to being loyal customers and such, but 20% off with 4 prereq items is a slap in the face by comparison. 

     

    +1

    I have bought that yearly 50% off for many years. It usually comes during PC Appreciation, but not this past year. 15% if I buy a bunch of stuff? Seriously?
  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    The buy 10 to get the offer tactic didn't work on me today.

    I got up to 7 items that were nice but didn't really need, then thought about the cost, then put them all back again. At $1.99 I would have bought.

    You can only go so many days spending $30 before it bites. Spending $20 seems a lot cheaper somehow. Funny how the mind works eh?

     

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,082

    Sci Fi Funk said:

    The buy 10 to get the offer tactic didn't work on me today.

    I got up to 7 items that were nice but didn't really need, then thought about the cost, then put them all back again. At $1.99 I would have bought.

    You can only go so many days spending $30 before it bites. Spending $20 seems a lot cheaper somehow. Funny how the mind works eh?

     

    Not really.  A 50% increase is a 50% increase.  Wars and revolutions are started for a lot less.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Cybersox said:

    namffuak said:

    nicstt said:

    namffuak said:

    Havos said:

    AndrewJJP said:

    Just as a FYI, since we were talking about it earlier, the gift card deal has been amended so that you can now use newly mad items. This means that it's technincally possible to get the deal if you buy the bundle. Personally, I don't feel that's a good offer, so I'm going to pass, and pick three of the outfits.

    It makes no sense buying an expensive bundle as a buy in item for a gift card, even if it is allowed. Since you must use cash to buy gift cards, and not store credit, then that bundle is not further discounted using store credit that was bought using an earlier card. You would be much better off buying a larger gift card with one of the sunglass products or some other cheap item, and then get in effect an extra 24% off the bundle by using the gift card store credit.That 24% would save you 20 dollars or so, easily covering the cost of the other buy in item.

    This! If I need to purchase something to get the gift card discount I always use the lowest price item that qualifies and only purchase the gift card and qualifying item(s) on the order. This applies even if I don't have a use for the other items. But it just dawned on me - a use for thes things. Time to grunge them up and stick them into an abandoned building as an abandoned private museum.

    I wait for no buy in conditions.

    I go for the maximum discount - and the only time I use my credit card here is to buy a gift card. I made that decision over three years ago, so for the  past 3+ years I've been paying for items with money discounted at 10% or better - usually better. Most of the time there's a required buy-in the list includes something I can make use of as-is or with a minimal change.

    That's pretty much the model I try to go by.  If I have to buy something that I'll never use in order to get the best overall deal, well... that's what I'll do.  That said, back when the introductory prices on products were often the best deal we'd see on a specific product for multiple months, I was far more prone to buy new releases as they came out, as time passed I've moved increasingly to only buying new releases when necessary to trigger a greater overall discount... especially when they went to that ridiculous 20% off.  Given that we all know that EVERYTHING in the store will be offered at a 50-70% discount within a short time frame of it dropping from New Release status, there's no reason to do otherwise unless you absolutely have to have that item immediately oir have a specific vendor that you are specifically trying to support.  And yeah, it's kind of sad that DAZ used to be known as the place with all the stacking discounts and now they've cut, hacked and slashed everything back so that the discounted GCs are often the only way to get any stacked value.

    What's most discouraging about all of this is that there no longer seems to be a real understanding of who the average DAZ consumer is, or even an interest in trying to maintain the basic building blocks of expanding that base, and instead things keep wandering off chasing unicorn markets like NFTs and Avatars.  I and others have carped on this before, but the fact that there hasn't even been any attempt to rewrite and reformat the basic users guides since the days of DS 4.6 and Genesis 2 (in 2013!!!) seems insane considering that the entire technology has changed, with three new base figures sytems introduced in the interim, 3DL being replaced by Iray as the default rendering engine, the old dynamics system dropped for D-Force, and many of the other now-basic features of Studio having either not existed back then or did but were never mention in THAT version since thajt version itself was a hastily rewritten version of an even earlier manual.  Could the cost of a decent manual really be much more than the cost of those inane YouTube commercials that inexplicably keep focusing on the areas where DS is the least competitive with other software systems  in the same price range, by which I mean free.  Arghh.  Everytime I see that one with the generic mocap and the caption "make 'em dance!" I cringe, it's so wince inducing.  It's as if Claires suddenly released an ad trying to compete with Tiffany's, or McDonalds tried to sell itself as Ruth's Chris Steak House.  >-< 

    I never buy something I don't want for a deal. I wait for at least 20%. If a buy in, is less than $5, and over 20%, I consider it.

    Otherwise, I keep my cash.

    I just bought something elsewhere - still no decent offer, so Daz is out of luck from me.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,532
    edited March 2022

    that new dress by Linday looks nice but not quite tempting enough especially since the nicer additional textures are dear, I realise the bundle gets you a character too which is a better deal, wishlisted for now, I have more important things to spend my money on than 3D.

    I think regardless of how I feel about DAZ and their choices I simply am not spending money on 3D content in general anymore, been buying physical things, a cat door for my window I got delivered yesterday and a chicken coop to assemble which  it will lead to hopefully arrives tomorrow 

    After that I will be looking for another furry friend.

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  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,070

    So, I guess my MM startegy ATM is:

    I buy everything In really want at 3.99... I leave the other stuff that looks interesting for a possible 2.99 catch-up sale.

    If there is no catch-up, or I don't have 10 items that are interesting enough by then, or the rules change yet again... then I guess I won't be buying those.

    But all this seems backwards. The initial sales price should be 2.99, then the catch-up 3.99, with the price dropping back to 2.99 if you buy 10+. Wouldn't that make more business sense?

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752

    Hylas said:

    But all this seems backwards. The initial sales price should be 2.99, then the catch-up 3.99, with the price dropping back to 2.99 if you buy 10+.
    Wouldn't that make more business sense?

    I think in DAZ's case, that train left the station quite a while already. This whole "One day new products get a 20% price reduction, the next day's batch goes for 30% off and once in a while the stuff sold for 20% off on Monday will be sold for 30% off on Tuesday" makes me think that the prices/deals are no longer designed by humans but some buggy sales algorithm... wink

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,590

    Maybe the catchup will be the same as the current sale but with all the items from this cycle to choose from. At that point, I could find at least 10 items I actually want. Trouble is, I still feel wrong spending money here. You know. 3 letters and all that.

  • NotAnArtistNotAnArtist Posts: 390

    Charlie Judge said:

    NotAnArtist said:

    I guess a Daz+ member no longer receives an extra 30% off DO items when they're on sale(?)
    The March Grab Bag $3.99 sale is sticking at $3.99 for DO items...

    In general they still get the extra 30% off even on sale DO items. Howver, it is not available in some fixed low priced sales such as Grab Bag because the items are already so heavily discounted

    I appreciate the response!
    The previous time I tried that sale, March 8, I was getting 88% off of DO items in a $4.99 Grab Bag.
    Prices came out to just over a dollar. But those were much older products, so yeah, what you say makes sense.

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